High temp thermometer

It can be as simple as a PID and a TC. Just use it as a read-only device.
An omega meter with a good TC will also do the job well. Auberins should be able to supply what you need.
 
I need a portable thermocouple that I can take to different units for testing of different burner designs. Any ideas or suggestions?

I'm looking at the Pyle PIRT30, has anyone used one?

http://www.pyleaudio.com/sku/PIRT30/High-Temperature-Infrared-Thermometer-with-Type-K-Input

Those are fun for measuring kydex temps and stuff, as the non contact is a nice feature, but to measure steel at high temps is not that good.

They use Emissivity

It changes depending on whether steel is rusty, shiny or red hot.
The units also have a larger error at the high end of the scale.

That unit is adjustable so you can set it at a value

I think thermocouples are the way to go for measuring steel at HT and forge temps.

Search Emissivity for more info


Inreading the specs and manual

Temperature Range: -50° to 550° C, -58° to 1022° F
too low for HT range




It look as if that unit also has a K thermocouple
Type K Temperature Range: -50° to 1370° C, -58 to 2498° F
Type K Temperature Resolution: 0.1° up to 2000, 1° over 2000

Nothing bad to say about it if you are looking at using that part
 
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If I use a TC to measure the temp, can i touch it to the steel?

Might it weld, will it change the junction resistance?

Is measuring the kiln temp accurate enough?
 
Best I can suggest is the cheapest handheld type K readout you can buy, together with the best handheld probe you can get your hands on.

It's worth doing some research on the probes and deciding exactly what you want to do with them. The thermocouple is where the money is most usefully spent. Even the cheapest handheld readouts are likely to be at least as accurate as the best thermocouple you can reasonably buy.

Once you know what you want to do, it's also worth picking up the phone and talking to Omega and getting their recommendation.

I think the ones I have bought from them have been KHXL handled probes (but bear in mind I may not have had exactly the same needs as you).

http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=KHXL_NHXL&Nav=tema06

I think I settled on KHXL-14G-RSC-24, the 24" long version.

I also chose a grounded junction for faster response (but this may not be such a good idea if you are likely to be subjecting it to big, fast temperature changes; an insulated junction might be better).

The reasons for the various choices;
K to work with a wide selection of portable instruments. Special limit materials give higher accuracy.
HXL for the 1335 degC short-term temperature rating on the sheath material; it is just getting into the forge-welding temperature range.
14; 1/4" diameter is rigid enough to hold it wherever I want to measure. G; grounded junction for fastest response, means I don't have to hold it very long wherever I want to measure. As I say, YMMV.
I went 24" long to allow me to measure at the back of the forge without burning my hands or melting the handle.

It looks like a miniature type K plug on the assembly in the link, but it is worth checking on the phone as I can't see it specified. Most portable instruments use "miniature" plug/socket connections, which use flat pins.

I use "TM902C" handheld readouts, bought off ebay for under 4 GBP (around $6) delivered. They only read degC, but read to 1365 degC (2489 degF), agree with my more expensive instruments, plus the calibrator at work, and are cheap enough that I won't worry if/when I break them. Some of the TM902Cs I have say -50-1300 degC on the front, but actually read to 1365 degC. I also have one that says -50-750 degC on the front but this also reads to 1365 degC.

IR measurement for forges is difficult. There are just too many variables. Emissivity is affected by temperature and by scale. IR from the flame, either direct or reflected, also causes errors. I gave up on my 1600 degC (2912 degF) IR instrument and lent it to a smith a year or so ago. I'd forgotten until now.
 
Timgun is right, get a good surface reading TC and any reasonable unit to plug it into.

You can make a heavy duty hand held probe from a 12", 10 gauge type K TC and enough ceramic spacers to cover 10" of the wire. Slide spacers on to within 2" of the tip. Make a handle from a 6-8" piece of wood ( might as well make it pretty wood :) ), and drill the center so the ceramic spacers just fit. Turn or grind it into a handle with a flare on each end if you like. Leave about 6" of the wire and spacers sticking out at the tip end. On the other side of the handle, stack spacers up to within 1" of the end and put a TC block on the ends. Attach a TC cord and plug ( watch the polarity!). Bend the last 1/2" of the tip at a 45 degree angle so you can get more surface on the metal. Plug it in the pyrometer and you are ready to go.

This will cost a lot less than a pre-made hand held surface read TC, and be much more robust for reading temps in the 1500F range.
 
No, not if you mean what I think you mean.

There are usually short sections of ceramic, with 2 holes through them for the thermocouple legs, as electrical insulation.

An overall sheath is usually a rigid closed-ended ceramic tube that goes over the outside of the thermocouple wires and ceramic insulators.
 
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