Hinderer Screw inconsistency

brandoak

brandoak

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I was fortunate to grab one of these XM-18 Sheepsfoot limited edition from KnifeArt a few months ago and Im glad I did, Im really enjoying it. However I noticed that when I disassembled it the Torks screws were two different sizes altogether. Out of six screws, 3 of them are some "half size" that none of my Torks bits fit.

Size T6 works but is semi loose on three of the screws..
Size T6 is super sloppy on the other three screws..
Size T7 is to large for any of the screws..
Cant find a T6.5
Im using a good set of new Wiha's.
They ARE Torks screws on this model not Allen.
I've tried security sizes.

KnifeArt says..."This model accepts Hinderer's custom fittings and accessories that work for the maximius knife, this is due to the fact that the blade shape requires additional space in the handle."

This has got to be a mistype, the Maximus uses Allen heads.
The hardware on this knife looks to be from the "Eklipse" model. (Torks)

Anyone else having similar issues? Is it just a sheepsfoot thing?
These bits are "driving" me nuts.:confused:
Did I get a bad set of screws from the ranch?

 
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Can't explain why it happened, but a couple off the wall ideas for dealing with it
You might try wrapping a little Teflon tape on the T6 for a little more grab
also sometimes allens fit
I can't say either will work, but just some thoughts that popped up
 
Thank you Mr. Hartwig. Great ideas, I may just try ordering a new set of screws later on as well, maybe Ill get lucky and they will be all the same size.
 
They are T6 on mine, and I had no issue with my drivers. They may be torx plus rather than regular torx, that may be your issue. I know ChazzyP ChazzyP posted something like this being an issue on his copper Half Track hardware.

The standoff’s on the sheepsoot are from the Eklipse for sure.
 
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I just had a similar issue on my half track. The screws on the pocket clip were different than the normal Phillips head screws I see on other Hinderers and after ordering a small torx set I realized they were actually torx 5 which was smaller than anything else on the knife.
 
I have come across this issue many times with both OEM and anodized Ti hardware from the ranch. I've always been able to work around it in one way or another though. Sometimes angling the torx bit a little helps, other times I dig through my toolbox and occasionally find an old driver a bit out of spec that will work. Good luck.
 
Strange several people have found inconsistencies in sizes and I take apart and anodize a ton of these and have never had a problem. Curious were these knives bought brand new? If not are you sure the parts are not parts from the secondary market? I know for a fact at least one person who posted on here 100% has aftermarket screws.

I have found in the past when we used to do anodizing for people who would send their knives in to be anodized that we would have some issues. Most of the time it was either secondary market parts or they had taken them apart with some cheap torx bits. I highly highly recommend Wiha if you are going to mess around with knives. Their bits will save you a lot of headaches, strip screws and weird sizes.
 
whitty said:
Strange several people have found inconsistencies in sizes and I take apart and anodize a ton of these and have never had a problem. Curious were these knives bought brand new? If not are you sure the parts are not parts from the secondary market? I know for a fact at least one person who posted on here 100% has aftermarket screws.

I have found in the past when we used to do anodizing for people who would send their knives in to be anodized that we would have some issues. Most of the time it was either secondary market parts or they had taken them apart with some cheap torx bits. I highly highly recommend Wiha if you are going to mess around with knives. Their bits will save you a lot of headaches, strip screws and weird sizes.
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Agreed, cheap torx bits are a common cause of problems like these. Wiha is a solid cure for most of them.
 
Thanks everybody, like I said in my OP Im using good Wiha bits and I bought the knife from a very reputable dealer brand new.
 
brandoak said:
Thanks everybody, like I said in my OP Im using good Wiha bits and I bought the knife from a very reputable dealer brand new.
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I wonder if the difference is due to it being the limited foundry edition? Very strange indeed.
 
I don't usually take appart my knives. A good flush of water, some compressed air and ocasionally a drop of oil is all I do. However I cannot believe that anyone buying a knife of this price should have any trouble with the hardware. Everyone goes crazy about the latest super steels (makers as well as users) for the blade, but then none cares about the hardware. Bought in bulk quality hardware is not that expensive. And skimping on such a cheap part is ridiculous. For the price paid for the knife pictured, it could very well come with the required tools for disassembly!
 
halden.doerge said:
They are T6 on mine, and I had no issue with my drivers. They may be torx plus rather than regular torx, that may be your issue. I know ChazzyP ChazzyP posted something like this being an issue on his copper Half Track hardware.

The standoff’s on the sheepsoot are from the Eklipse for sure.
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brandoak brandoak , it sure sounds to me like you're having a Torx vs Torx Plus issue with these screws. I just got out my modest collection of Hinderers and checked the body/standoff screws on all to size them.

My two XMs (18 & 24) use 5/64" hex.
My MP1 and both HalfTracks utilize Torx Plus 61P.

Regular Torx bits will fit Torx Plus but will always be sloppy. The shallower the recess, the sloppier the fit. My post that Halden referred to above was specifically about the copper hardware I installed in my 2nd HalfTrack as the recesses were shallow and the copper so soft that a regular Torx bit would have wrecked the fasteners.

You can see the difference in the two types of Torx--regular and plus--below.

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if you bought this knife new it should be covered under warranty or there is explanation for this , I would contact them directly .
 
ChazzyP said:
brandoak brandoak , it sure sounds to me like you're having a Torx vs Torx Plus issue with these screws. I just got out my modest collection of Hinderers and checked the body/standoff screws on all to size them.

My two XMs (18 & 24) use 5/64" hex.
My MP1 and both HalfTracks utilize Torx Plus 61P.

Regular Torx bits will fit Torx Plus but will always be sloppy. The shallower the recess, the sloppier the fit. My post that Halden referred to above was specifically about the copper hardware I installed in my 2nd HalfTrack as the recesses were shallow and the copper so soft that a regular Torx bit would have wrecked the fasteners.

You can see the difference in the two types of Torx--regular and plus--below.

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This has to be it! Makes perfect sence! Cant thank you enough for your time. Torx-plus shopping here I go!
 
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