Historical Knife Patterns Time Line?

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Do any of you all know in what order what knife patterns became known or prevalent?

Are there any websites that have this sort of information?

Like does the Seax come before the Skean Dbu?

Where does the Ticonderoga come in?

Etc....

Marion
 
Who knows? A lot of people here get exercised because one company supposedly steals a pattern from another. I expect most patterns were worked out before JC became a corporal, everything since then is derivative.

I think it's more realistic to approach blade design from the evolution of materials: sharpened wooden sticks > flint napped tools > bronze age > iron age > steel age. And how they were intended to be used.

Seax versus skean dbu? One's a big knife, the other is a small knife. One's a warrior's knife, the other is a woman's knife. Unless the warrior wants a small knife to do small craft work; or the woman wants a big knife to chop herbs or scare off an ugly bastard.

The old Celts and Hindus were working in iron and steel when other folks were still messing with copper and bronze.

Also consider the knife designs of an old knife culture like the Finnish/Suomi people compared to the American Bowie culture.

It's a very good question and should lead to an interesting thread. :thumbup:

Edit: The "Ticonderoga" is just a rusty old blade that was found at Fort Ticonderoga, NY. Nothing special about it, it is typical of all the trade/butcher/kitchen knives that were imported by the barrel load from Europe in the 17th-18th centuries.
 
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Who knows? A lot of people here get exercised because one company supposedly steals a pattern from another. I expect most patterns were worked out before JC became a corporal, everything since then is derivative.

Man, I SO agree with that. 'Nuff said.

As for the original question, if I were bold enough to undertake such a task, I think I'd do a little research on each particular knife and compare notes/dates. It's a good idea for an article or even a book, but I suspect no matter what info you come up with, it's going to be controversial.
 
This is as close as I have found:

Pointed rock
Sharp stick
Sharpened antler
Knapped flint blade
Copper blade
Bronze blade
Iron blade
Smachette
Loveless drop point hunter

Or something close to that.....
Stacy
 
This is as close as I have found:

Pointed rock
Sharp stick
Sharpened antler
Knapped flint blade
Copper blade
Bronze blade
Iron blade
Smachette
Loveless drop point hunter

Or something close to that.....
Stacy


That's awesome! :D
 
This is as close as I have found:

Pointed rock
Sharp stick
Sharpened antler
Knapped flint blade
Copper blade
Bronze blade
Iron blade
Smachette
Loveless drop point hunter

Or something close to that.....
Stacy
Does the bowie come before or after the Loveless Drop-point. I know Bob's been around a while BUT!
 
At least one source that I found on Seaxes states that the name translate from the old norse as "food blade".
 
See,

There is some good information here...

Really, I am just looking for a reference source for a bunch of the historical patterns, throughout history...

Ticonderoga
Hudson Bay
Roach Belly
Lakes Trade Knife
French
Etc.

But, I would also like to see them in an historical time frame.

Marion
 
All attempts at blade design and shape between the plain iron blade and the smachette were just experimental.
Stacy
 
Email me. I can help with most that you mentioned above. Also you can check my website. wickellerbe.com. I have profile photos of a few originals I can send you.
 
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