If that is a big issue for you, perhaps something like an HK P7 would be best? The squeeze-cocker makes it about as safe a carry gun as you can holster. And they're scary-accurate. I'm no great shot, and a few weeks ago I chased a soup can down-range past the 50 yard line with offhand shots from my P7. They're pretty hard to beat unless you think you're going to be shooting it out in the OK Corral and you need more than 8 rounds per mag.
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I've carried a Glock 36 in a Don Hume inside the waist band holster for several years.It is small and light enough to EDC. It also gets hot here but I can easily cover it with a long T shirt.I owned and traded several EDC guns before the Glock.
As said before ,keep your finger off the trigger if you aren't going to shoot.As extra safty.I load my weapon,holster it and then clit it on.Same when taking it off,remove holstered weapon,then remove weapon from holster and unload it.
As said before ,keep your finger off the trigger if you aren't going to shoot.As extra safty.I load my weapon,holster it and then clit it on.Same when taking it off,remove holstered weapon,then remove weapon from holster and unload it.
imho the P7's are handicapped by the fact that good holsters are scarce and that the pistol is bigger/bulkier than i imagined it would be.
a kahr P9 gives up 1 round to the P7 and is a LOT smaller, probably just as accurate too, and more reliable.
not a bad pistol though, just not one for me.
i was in love with them till i actually got one lol.
a kahr P9 gives up 1 round to the P7 and is a LOT smaller, probably just as accurate too, and more reliable.
not a bad pistol though, just not one for me.
i was in love with them till i actually got one lol.
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Dagummit sifu, you mention all the good reasons for the kahr p9 every time this convo comes up. You are gonna force me to go get one to try. :grumpy:
I dont know much about the SIG P220 Carry model. So i would have to shoot one or see one in person. But if someone could tell me about them I would check them out.
I will probably still get the GLOCK 30sf because I am used to the Glock format. As far as the light trigger pull, I like that. I also like the short movement my finger makes to reset the trigger. As far as shooting myself due to light trigger pull, I dont think that will happen any time soon. I dont put my finger on the trigger 'till i am ready to shoot. I always hear once a year, 'so&so shot himself cleaning his gun', or 'shot himself drawing his gun' ... I dont get it. I have been shooting and cleaning guns for the past 17 years. I haven't shot myself yet.
I will probably still get the GLOCK 30sf because I am used to the Glock format. As far as the light trigger pull, I like that. I also like the short movement my finger makes to reset the trigger. As far as shooting myself due to light trigger pull, I dont think that will happen any time soon. I dont put my finger on the trigger 'till i am ready to shoot. I always hear once a year, 'so&so shot himself cleaning his gun', or 'shot himself drawing his gun' ... I dont get it. I have been shooting and cleaning guns for the past 17 years. I haven't shot myself yet.
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They have a looooonnnnnng, hard trigger pull.
They have a looooonnnng trigger reset.
They have a high bore axis.
The 220 Compact only holds 6+1 rds.
But, at least, they are overpriced. ($1000 MSRP for the cheapest one.)
Go w/ the G-30 that you have in mind and you'll be set.
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1. Good holsters are scarce. Not at all true, there are many great holsters from the major manufacturers, just not many stores carry them in stock because they are low demand items. Don Hume, Bianchi, Null, De Santis, Blade-Tech, Blackhawk and many other make them.
2. The pistol is bigger/bulkier than I imagined. At 6.7 inches long and 5 inches tall I think is is not really any bigger than anyone else's slim carry nine. The Kahr TP full sized is barely any smaller.
3. Kahr P9 gives up 1 round to the P7 and is a LOT smaller A Kahr P-9 is only 9/10ths shorter in length and 1/10th shorter in height, insignificant for concealed carry and you are giving up sight radius.
4. probably just as accurate too, and more reliable. I doubt the accuracy part, it is almost impossible for a production handgun with a tilting barrel to equal the accuracy of a fixed barrel. As far as reliability, I would be hard pressed to find a handgun more reliable than the P-7.
Add in a safety system that has saved lives when the gun has gotten into the wrong hands, the mag reload system anywhere, a superb trigger, and the H&K P-7 proves it is one of the finest handguns around. Sadly it price and quality made it obsolete in today's polymer world.
Well, I feel better about my recent acquisition after Absintheur just sold me on it again. As a bonus for us Canadians, it's basically the smallest pistol any regular Canadian gun owners (like me) can buy, unless you're grandfathered for <105mm-barreled handguns. We can't carry of course, but it's nice having a gun well-suited should the [Katrina?] need ever arise.
Kahr's are not a viable pistol in Canada. It's in the <105mm class, which is like US class 3 autos.. no new ones ever, only what's already in the system.
As a bonus for us Canadians, it's basically the smallest pistol any regular Canadian gun owners (like me) can buy, unless you're grandfathered for <105mm-barreled handguns. We can't carry of course, but it's nice having a gun well-suited should the [Katrina?] need ever arise.Kahr's are not a viable pistol in Canada. It's in the <105mm class, which is like US class 3 autos.. no new ones ever, only what's already in the system.
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There are a couple things about the P-7.....
One, it gets HOT when you shoot it a lot. Usually at my classes, the doctors and lawyers that bought them and used them previously at a class show up with TWO. One to shoot while the other one cools off....
They are butt-heavy. Holster selection is critical. Most are made well, but carry the gun poorly.
The gun requires dedication to the system. It's not the only gun that requires dedication, the 1911 being another, but dedication is essential to master this gun.
They are pricey. USED ones go for $800+
Parts, like magazines, are hard to find and expensive when you do.
If you were doing a house or building search, what ready condition should you use? If you keep your trigger finger along the frame as you press the front strap lever in to cock the striker, it may be hard to keep it in that position for long periords. And everytime you let it out it makes a rather audible "CLICK".....
Keep the front strap out, and you have to make a quick fist while trying to keep the sights on target. Inadvertantly stop 1/16th" short of the fully engaged position and you won't be firing the gun at all.
Most of these problems will go away with practice and sincere dedication, but other gun platforms are much more forgiving than this one.
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One, it gets HOT when you shoot it a lot. Usually at my classes, the doctors and lawyers that bought them and used them previously at a class show up with TWO. One to shoot while the other one cools off....
They are butt-heavy. Holster selection is critical. Most are made well, but carry the gun poorly.
The gun requires dedication to the system. It's not the only gun that requires dedication, the 1911 being another, but dedication is essential to master this gun.
They are pricey. USED ones go for $800+
Parts, like magazines, are hard to find and expensive when you do.
If you were doing a house or building search, what ready condition should you use? If you keep your trigger finger along the frame as you press the front strap lever in to cock the striker, it may be hard to keep it in that position for long periords. And everytime you let it out it makes a rather audible "CLICK".....
Keep the front strap out, and you have to make a quick fist while trying to keep the sights on target. Inadvertantly stop 1/16th" short of the fully engaged position and you won't be firing the gun at all.
Most of these problems will go away with practice and sincere dedication, but other gun platforms are much more forgiving than this one.
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as far as holsters its been 5-6 yrs since i tried to edc a P7 so that might be true now.
it is a lot bulkier than i had imagined, perhaps i was expecting something more like a P9 or something but it was bulkier than i had thought they were.
a kakr P9 or PM9 carry a lot easier than a P7 i promise ya.
as far as accuracy, perhaps i needed to just find a round mine liked but as far as the ammo i had at the time probably white box winchester it wasnt anything special, maybe i got a bad one lol,
hey i wanted to like the thing lol i spent ~$1K on it, & it was "ok" but it just never lived up to expectations, maybe i expected too much for $1K?
Dagummit sifu, you mention all the good reasons for the kahr p9 every time this convo comes up. You are gonna force me to go get one to try. :grumpy:
what can i say?? i have tried a LOT of pistols for edc and the kahr P9 & PM9 are simply the very best i have ever found. imho the only other pistol that even comes close is a glock 26/27/33, and the P9/PM9 's are a lot easier to live with for edc.
suprisingly accurate too, and totally reliable, whats not to like lol?
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As far as holsters go for the P7, the best to be found is the BraveHeart IWB by www.kytac.com
It's well made and carries that butt heavy gun very well.
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It's well made and carries that butt heavy gun very well.
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