Hogue EX01 GOT IT!!!

I don't have my G-10 version anymore (Kept the aluminum one), but I believe the brass threaded inserts went into thinner G-10, whereas the 3rd hole on each side went into a much thicker piece of G-10 (The edge).

As to a weak detent, thankfully neither of mine were/are like that, although if it did, I'd rather have it tip-up to be against the front pocket seam, unless you're carrying it in your back pocket.

The G-10 version is very well made (Both are), but I found the balance on the aluminum ones to be better, just IMHO.
 
That's odd because the two I have may have the most detent of any folder I have ever owned and I say that to myself each time I use them.

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The one thing I really don't like is the minimal detent it has. Really does not take much to nudge that heavy blade out of the handle to bite you. You would definitely not want to carry this tip up.
As long as it has a safety, it would have been nice if you could engage it in both the open AND closed postions.
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CL01 said:
As to a weak detent, thankfully neither of mine were/are like that, although if it did, I'd rather have it tip-up to be against the front pocket seam, unless you're carrying it in your back pocket.
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After reading your and Reeek's comments I started wondering if I got a bad one. I re-watched Allen's vids on youtube and did some further looking. If I followed all this correctly the detent is made by the release button moving into the cutout on the back side of the blade as the knife is closed. On mine you can see the release button move slightly as it contacts the cutout. So I assume all is normal.
I briefly considered taking it apart and examining things, but I'm pretty much tool-challenged, plus Allen makes it pretty clear that the tolerances are so tight you really don't want to do that outside the factory.

I guess strong and weak detent is a bit subjective.
And apparently not a great concern to many folks. It is something I tend to notice, being a basic believer that Murphy was an optimist.

It's certainly not the most detent of any knife I own like Reeek mentioned (but then I don't know what Reeek has :))....certainly not as strong as the Spyderco Police3 I just got. It does take a VERY positive wrist movement, or a pretty sharp whack, to get it out of detent, which I guess is about right and probably satisfactory.

Tip up would work as long as it's against the front of the pocket, but I was thinking most folks carried to the rear of the pocket.
Could be an interesting general question to poll sometime.

The G-10 version is very well made (Both are), but I found the balance on the aluminum ones to be better, just IMHO.
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I haven't handled the aluminium, but I think your opinion is probably correct.
There may be some difference in balance between the Tanto and the other.

I think one notices the blade weight only the first couple of times they hande it because it is a bit different than the norm. I realized after handling it a few times I wasn't even aware of the blade weight anymore.
 
In the case of the Police, you have a lockback which will exert a spring tension throughout the opening radius until the lock engages so that's an apples and oranges comparison. Lockbacks are usually bad flickers for that reason. And you'll see a positive snap just before the fully opened and fully closed positions because of the design.

Is your pivot tension good? As you stated and noticed, the detent is not a ball detent on the Hogue which is likely the majority of detents out there to some degree. The pivot is easy to adjust on the Hogues and I didn't detect any difficult Loctite on mine.

The Hogues, although not exactly like the Spyderco ball lock, lockbacks or the BM Axis lock, is more mechanical like these others and I've typically found those detents to be more positive immediately and over time. You tend to get a snap when they fall into the detent positon. Not that a well made ball detent is bad. There will be less wear IMHO on the mechanical detents that use a coil spring or Omega spring in their design however the springs will eventually loosen up too since it's repetition throughout the spring's spectrum that eventually reduces their tension rather than a constant compression such as in a loaded gun magazine. They shouldn't loosen up to an unusable state for a very long time however. Perhaps for the life of the knife. Omega springs tend to break sometimes but are easy to replace and usually free from BM Support. With ball detents, the primary wear is in a bad ball that flattens or the ball wearing a groove in the blade tang from the hole it sits in while closed. Or a little of both.

I've heard owners of the aluminum models state they are better balanced than the G10 models. It's funny because they do feel front heavy but if you balance the knife the balance point is right at the pivot which is a very short distance forward of the choil. And I actually attribute most of the front heaviness to the bolster plates and not the blade completely. Perhaps that's why the Aluminum models are said to be better balanced. No bolster plates . . .
 
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Hopefully, my green G-Mascus 4" DP will arrive today. Is there a means for attaching a lanyard?
 
Yes there is. There is a well placed, what appears to be a stainless steel lanyard loop standoff at the heel.

The 4" is my favorite of the two and isn't that much different feeling in my right front hip pocket when carried.

DITCH said:
Hopefully, my green G-Mascus 4" DP will arrive today. Is there a means for attaching a lanyard?
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Reeek said:
In the case of the Police, you have a lockback which will exert a spring tension throughout the opening radius until the lock engages so that's an apples and oranges comparison.
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Yes, it was a rediculous comparison. My brain kicked in shortly after I posted that and I realized I was comparing totally different designs. My only excuse is I happened to be handling my new Police at the same time as the Hogue, so it was on my mind and in my hand. :)

Is your pivot tension good? As you stated and noticed, the detent is not a ball detent on the Hogue which is likely the majority of detents out there to some degree. The pivot is easy to adjust on the Hogues and I didn't detect any difficult Loctite on mine.
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It is easy to adjust once you find it. I had looked for the adjustment, but after your comment I removed the clip and found it! In tip down config its under the clip. Mine was also easy to adjust, though it appeared about "right" to begin with. Snugged it just a tad.

The Hogues, although not exactly like the Spyderco ball lock, lockbacks or the BM Axis lock, is more mechanical like these others and I've typically found those detents to be more positive immediately and over time. You tend to get a snap when they fall into the detent positon.
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I don't get a "snap" when it goes into position, but you can tell it has gone into position. Have not lubed anything yet, so there might be a touch of binding going on.
Don't get me wrong, its not awful, I'd just like it to be bit more positive. As I noted it does take a very forcely hand/wrist movement or sharp impact to move it out of dentent, both fairly unlikely in normal use.

And I actually attribute most of the front heaviness to the bolster plates and not the blade completely. Perhaps that's why the Aluminum models are said to be better balanced. No bolster plates . . .
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Hadn't thought of that. I was attributing it more to that big Tanto blade, but that plate is pretty massive...didn't realize the aluminirm didn't have one.
To me it's not a problem, just something you notice when you first pick it up, I'm not even aware of it now.
 
I like these knives so much I now have 4 of them! A large and small tanto and a large and small drop point, all in G mascus. I don't remember ever buying all the flavors of a knife before, but these are just so well done that I had to try them all.

The lock up is rock solid on all of them and once they break in they are super smooth, some of the best actions I have ever had on a folder.

Imo the best of the bunch is the 3.5" G gmascus Tanto, but they are all good and I am comparing with knives priced twice or more as much. For the OP, give it a week and then see how you like it. I think you will find these knives really grow on you!
 
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