Holes on BM

[Whoever Wherever]

Brownshoe, PLEASE get your facts straight. The round hole was never patented. A depression to allow purchase for the thumb was patented. The round hole was and is a single implementation of the formerly patented concept. Sal Glesser went through all the processes necessary to register that hole as his trademark, including demonstating to the bureaucrats that there is substantial brand recognition associating the round opening hole with knives manufactured by Spyderco.

Personally, I wouldn't care if BM used it if they acknowledged that it is in fact a registered trademark of Spyderco, which they don't.

If this is true how did all dozens of knife manufacturer use odd shaped holes in there handles without violating the pantent. If Spyderco had a patent on any depresion to allow thumb purchase how could anyone have made non round thumb holes for all those years? OR am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

 

[thombrogan]

yablanowitz,

Sal did have a patent on the opening hole and has a trademark on the round opening hole. Spyderco used to license the round opening hole to Benchmade (and now, to Boker), and they have some sort of agreement going on now. If that's unpalatable, don't buy Benchmade. If you feel Sal and Les are big boys who can settle their differences without the help of interweb fanboys (such as me! ), buy what you want regardless of who makes it (unless it's Benchmade :barf: ).

 

[Whoever Wherever]

ROFL, this is from the other post

"The hole was not stolen by Benchmade and the heading should be removed or modified.

sal"

SAl isnt pissed what gives you the right to be? And no this isnt the type of agreement that was a simple "you cant fight this in court, so tough luck" or it woulndt have a non disclouser added to it by lawyers. He does go on to say they did not steal it, form the horses mouth. If Sal was unhappy with the deal why would he sign into notm talking about it?

 

[hardheart]

I put Sal Glesser up there with whatever dude started banging two rocks together to chip out a cutting edge, he has had such a profound effect on the knife industry and really brought about the sense of innovation and experimentation we have. Which also aggravates me about the Spyderholics and their fixation on the hole. I buy Spyderco because of the lead they take on many ideas and pushing for changes that remain accessible to users. The round hole isn't new, but it's on my Caly Jr. in zdp laminate, and at an affordable price for that steel.

By putting a round hole on the pika, all BM did was reintroduce the old Eclipse/Ascent models, and I had one of those years ago, no new steels, new locks, not much of anything changed but place of manufacture. I'm not any more inclined to buy a BM because of the shape of the hole. I like BM balis, axis lock knives, and ones with attractive profiles, nothing about where I put my thumb.

 

[marcinek]

Wake up, people! The round hole was invented by Lynn Thompson. Duhhh!

<<runs away>>

 

[Recursion]

ROFL, this is from the other post

"The hole was not stolen by Benchmade and the heading should be removed or modified.

sal"

SAl isnt pissed what gives you the right to be? And no this inst the type of agreement that was a simple "you cant fight this in court, so tough luck" or it wouldn't have a non discloser added to it by lawyers. He does go on to say they did not steal it, form the horses mouth. If Sal was unhappy with the deal why would he sign into notm talking about it?

sometimes its a wiser decision for the little guy to not try and fight the big guy.

 

[Whoever Wherever]

sometimes its a wiser decision for the little guy to not try and fight the big guy.

So wait, you think Benchmade aproached Spyderco with an agreement that said "we are taking your design and you will not win in court and you are not allowed to talk about it, sign here" and he did? It is obvious from Sal's post that he does not feel they stoled it and that they came to an agreement that invloves nondisclouser. I dont know how that can be twisted to say that BM is bullying spyderco.

 

[MaxFisher]

If this is true how did all dozens of knife manufacturer use odd shaped holes in there handles without violating the pantent. If Spyderco had a patent on any depresion to allow thumb purchase how could anyone have made non round thumb holes for all those years? OR am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

You're not misunderstanding anything. except maybe where the holes are at since you said odd shaped holes in their handles above. Do you remember the Gerber EZ Out with it's odd shaped opening hole in the blade. Well, they had to pay licensing fees to Spyderco on that because Spyderco had the patent on all opening implements that were a "depression into the blade."

 

[Whoever Wherever]

So all knives with any type of holes grooves or derpression for opening on the blade during the years of the patent should have been paying a licensing fee to Spyderco? If that is so then there are alot of companies that people should be mad at before BM. While I remember Spyderco's having the round holes, for a few years every shape you can imagine poped up in knife blades to achieve the same effect. I doubt many of them payed the fees except the big boys. Not that they shouldnt have, I believe all comapanies should respect the patent laws.

I did say holes in handles, damn i better go patent that quick before someone ctaches on. Hehe, one of many brain farts.

 

[OwenM]

In case anyone hasn't figured out that the thread starter is just looking for attention, now you know.

I dont know how that can be twisted to say that BM is bullying spyderco.

Simple. For whatever reason, many people like to argue most about the things they know the least about, and none of the people who are constantly running their mouths about this subject have anything more than their own imagination to back up their BS.
There are many subjects that I have no knowledge of. I'm ok with that, and certainly won't be found arguing about those things, or having, much less pushing, strong opinions about them.
I really don't see what people get out of crusading some idea whose veracity they have no evidence of, or how any consumer can find themself enthralled by a brand/manufacturer, but to me they're just advertising their own stupidity. Kind of a "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt" thing.
Not much point in debating with them...

 

[Steven Andrews]

I really don't see what people get out of crusading some idea whose veracity they have no evidence of, or how any consumer can find themself enthralled by a brand/manufacturer, but to me they're just advertising their own stupidity. Kind of a "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt" thing.
Not much point in debating with them...

Wise words.:thumbup:

 

[Blop]

Have a custom maker redo your 806D2 with RWL-34, but be careful not to whack its spine (even though that wasn't a concern with the D2 blade). Would that work?

Nice to be kept in mind!

No, that wouldn´t work because it is way to expensive considering price performance. But has there been any RWL34 knife by BM or Spyderco? Has there been any knives made from tungsten alloys like the german 1.2550 or 1.2552?

It was just my personal thing to get in touch with many steel grades. To get completely new knives would have cost double if they were fixed blades and 6 times as much if folder. So personally it was the better way, but not in general. Even though the maker made dozends of replacement blades last year for BMs and Spydercos without any issues.

I have managed to fail the custom blade the same way i managed to break the Puma lockback, which worked over 8 years, bladeplaying in any direction, without collapsing. I guess i would manage to break a Manix too. It is just a matter of time and repeating whacks. Sooner or later it fails. That might show how senseless my test was or would be.

But after all, expecially the custom blade axis is strong enough to withstand any spinewhack, honestly: it has a little vertical play but not as much as some Manix. That is another point against custom peplacements.

I don´t know if the axis bar would bend at first or the blade readily break. But the only thing you would proove with spinewhacks on that knife is: Spinewhacks are able to completely destroy your knife, if you just beat hard enough, without prooving anything.