Hollow Handle Knife Strength Test

tknife said:
I like that shorter one quite a bit! I always liked the large chopper sized hollow handles, but something smaller would see much more use I think. I always pictured something this size, or even in a 4" blade as a hiker or backpackers survival knife. Nice and compact, so it will be on your belt without noticing it.

Strigamorts idea is great too, as thinner stock would help to lighten it up along with being better for stuff like carving and food prep. I know that goes against the old school survival knife, but would be a cool option!
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Thanks, tknife. I thought about thinner stock, it may be something I eventually offer. The main reason was like I mentioned earlier, I just didn't want any strength issues with the hollow handle. That 1/4" thick tang seats nicely into the handle tube, and gives contact on a lot of surface area. We'll see. I started offering CPM 154 stainless as an option, and I think this would be a great knife in stainless.

shaving sharp said:
I like the size but I think the tip should have been left a little higher. More of a drop point and less of a spear point but I am not a fan of the spear point grind.
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Thanks, shaving sharp. I agree with you, the tip leans more toward a spear point, and I really like that design. One of my favorite knives to use in the outdoors is an Al Mar SERE 2000. It is a thinner spear point than this design, obviously, but I found it very handy. It's one of those things where if a customer wanted more of drop point, I would just move the tip up. That way everybody wins. Thanks for the input, now I'm gonna have to go grind out a drop point, lol. :D

Sam Wilson
 
Hello,

All I can say is that after viewing and reviewing Carbon1's strength stress test on hos own handmade custom hollow handled knife (Love that pull up video Sam), not only am I sold on his handmade knives but it also actually assured me on just how well my handmade hollow handled knives are made, which are made by other high end knife makers. I too have always been a biiig fan of hollow handled knives. And now, Carbon1's strength test video on his own handmade ones, just made me that much bigger fan of them. But in No way am I talking about the Chinese Cheapies or the MC/ UC line of mass produced very low quality wall hanger-type hollow handled knives...I am talking about the handmade ones and the very high end production ones such as the Buckmaster 184 and the even better made Explorer Master 21-032 abd my newest high end hollow handled knife, the Parker IMAI K-692 one.

Another high end hollow handled knife that, while hasn't gotten much attention here in the US but has a big reputation in Spain and the UK, are the Original Aitor hollow handled Jungle King knives. And I am not talking about the $20 Chinese Cheapie copies of that awesome knife. I am talking about the Original Aitor, the one that costs $300 and above. I happen to of received one of these knives for a Christmas present from my wife. This weekend I Finally decided to get out my Aitor and put it to some rigorous use! I cut wood, batoned wood, shaved wood, notched wood, and whittled some Rambo-lik wooden spikes as seen on First Blood movie but also as my Dad taught me as a kid and when he was in the US Army Special Forces.

This weekend, I even went so far as to try and make one them spiked small trees that is pulled back and tied in snare form so the slightest movement would cause it to snap forward and sending the wooden spikes right through the enemy or game for food. But I think I have watched First Blood too much and fantasized too much. I could never get it to work. Darn it, I tell you, I Have to quit believing everything on TV and in the movies, LOL just kidding...I didn't try to make this spike snare weapon thing...Just a little joke.

But I did sharpen some sticks with my Aitor hollow handled. I also turned it around and used the serrated spine as sawteeth. man, they worked beautifully! Anyway, shortening this post up, everything I tried to do with my Aitor Jungle King 1 hollow handled knife, I succeeded in doing! At the end of the use, I took out a piece of copy machine paper, The Aitor knife still sliced right through the paper, a nice and very clean slice.

Summing up, O used my Aitor vigorously over the weekend because I wanted to see if their claim of their knives' blades being made with a superb "Super Steel." I don't know about it being made with an unbeatable "Super Steel" as per say, but I have to say that the steel they use to make those knives are pretty darn close to being just that....a "Super Steel!" Thanks for reading my post.
 
Thanks for the compliments, thedemonbeast. I'm glad you enjoyed the videos, and it sounds like they did their job, which was to let people know that my hollow handled knives, and those by other quality makers, can be more than strong enough to do any job you would ask of a knife. Obviously, there are some that will never be convinced, and that's fine. There are a ton of other styles and types of knives out there. But this is the way I've always felt about quality hollow handled knives, and while any knife can fail, if it's made properly, the blade/handle joint does not present a significant point of failure.

Nice writeup on the Aitor. Those are still highly sought after by some, and I've seen them go for a pretty penny. I'm glad you get out there and use them. Just about every custom maker I've ever spoken with has always been pleased when someone uses their knives, and enjoys the satisfaction of a well-built custom. Years ago I sent a Sebenza in to get a new blade, as I sharpened quite a bit of it away after years of use. Chris Reeve remarked how happy he was to see that I was using the knife. I'm glad that Aitor is working for you.

I'm not at all surprised that it did well. They don't have a good reputation for nothing. Those Parkers are quite rare as well. Nice stuff.

P.S. I just have to put this in here, after all, this was the movie/knife that started it all for some of us, lol...

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Sam :thumbup:
 
OK, just got another one ready for heat treat. Like the above spear point, this one is just mocked up with the handle and guard. The blade is 8 1/2" long, and just a hair over 1 15/16" wide. Full flat grind, and I believe it will be getting a stonewash finish.

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Sam Wilson :thumbup:
 
That post by darthrambo is old news now! Sure he has been having issues with his order and BSK...but he put his issue through the ringer on a different post, and caught some of us up all into it, including me!! But done and over with. he needs to either stop and go through other legal sources about it or not!! This is Carbon1's forum topic. And that is the way it needs to stay.

Now, onto my own posting and away with the drama..One of my newest hollow handled knives is my awesomely made Parker IMAI K-692 which is actually numbered 004. The Parker K-692 is another Buckmaster copy knife made in Seki City, Japan. And like the Explorer master and Titan 21-032, is actually made with much better steel and materials than the Buckmaster 184. The blade is stamped Parker IMAI K-692 and Surgical Steel on one side. the other side has Made In Japan, and below that in small stamping is the 004. I did some research on my Parker knife which inckuded info from a professional on the Parker Knives. I learned that mine was made in 1980-82 era and is considered to be the best quality Buckmaster 184 copy out there. It is very rare. And during that time in SEKI, 440C and 440V steel was considered to be surgical steel. Today's surgical steel is crap for high end knives, and is totally unlike the 330C grade steel that was called Surgical Steel during the era of my parker knife.

Anyway, the blade on this knife holds an edge like nobody's business. And the 330C stainless steel handle is thick and hefty, just as the 10 inch blade. That is the difference between this Buckmaster copy and the other high end copies sucha s the Explorer master, which I also used to own. The actual Buckmaster 184's blade is a bit too shart for my liking. If only they made one with a 9 or 10 inch blade, I'd of bought one, maybe 2, in a second. But I don't like knives smaller than a 8 inch blsde really. So when I saw this Parker knife up for bid, and saw the blade in it a nice long 10 incher, I jumped at it and won it. This knife is a very rare knife as only a handful were made.

What throws ppl off of its quality I believe is that of the Surgical Steel stamp on the blade. Folks tend to associate the Surgical Steel label of that era the same as the paperweight crap surgical steel of today, which is wrong. But I have to say that the ignorance if that is their loss and my gain, LOL No offense meant. I am just a very proud owner of this awesome Parker K-692 knife. As we speak I am having a sheath handmade for it by master sheath maker and my good friend, Bob Schrap!!

And I cannot wait to get it too. My next scheduled hollow handle knife to own is that one of the awesome new knife maker Sam Wilson and his Model #2!!
I am so very excited about buying that knife and owning it, esp after Sam;s pullups strength test video, that seems toi have really hushed all the bad mouthers and mocking of the hollow handled knife concept and those of us that love them. Hey, what can I say...I speak my mind and say it like it is, just like every other forum user here!! And now, with Sam's awesome strength video of his hollow handled handmade knife, we finally have proof to back up our love for them, and our desire to own them. But anyway, moving forward...Sam buddy, I will have those pics of my Parker knife to you soon buddy, OK? I got pre-occupied with being sick, LOL!! So just bare with me. I plan to finally take those pics of it again today! Take care Everyone!!
 
never been a hollow handle knife guy,but your video's makes me want to try one out.very impressive.i am trying to think what would i add in the handle because i always carry a back pack,,i also really like that sheath set-up with the extra knife an sharpening stone,,i am a hog hunter an use an love big blades..i think rambo would be proud of these knifes.i really like that first one in our vids an that clip point..now going to facebook to see your knives..keep up the great work..
 
Thank you, kalama. I love big blades myself. That spear point is about my ideal shape for "survival" (typically camping and wilderness use). Its very tough, and still very functional. I have come up with a smaller, lighter version, as well. I hope to do a video on it in the next month or so, and post it here.

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Thanks again,

Sam :thumbup:
 
Sam now that is more folks speed around me thinks. Not to big but not to small. Full flat grind, hand filling handle and 440c which makes me want to take this fishing on Lake Ontario on the Klondike Willie. Yep that is my boat. Keepem sharp
 
Thanks longbow, I appreciate the compliments. It may not be the latest "super steel" of the day, but 440C is undoubtedly an oldie but a goody. Thanks again, and good fishin!

Sam. :thumbup:
 
Thedemonbeast, I see that you wrote a review of the Aitor Jungle King 1 back on the 6th October last year and then deleted it because it was too long. I for one would love to see that review. Any possibility of putting it up again or emailing it to me.
 
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