Honest question about 'flicking'

MarkCid84, I think that you need to understand that A. G. Russell has been around this business since I was alittle kid and I have respected him for all of that time. He deserves all of the respect that we give him and I suspect that his comment is based upon hard experience, not upon paranoid fantasies, as you seem to imply. It is unfortunately true that there are only too many LEOs who do not see the armed citizen as an ally but as a threat, and that is sad. I wish that it were otherwise, but I suspect that looking at the a** end of the world's population tends to give one a jaundiced view of humanity after a while. That is one reason why I got out of Credit and Collections as a business.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MarkCid84:
AGRussell:
You said, "Picture a young policeman who could care less about knives or you, he reads this thread and teaches himself how to "flick" knives. Then he finds someone with a knife, he flicks it open and tells the judge that he found this fellow the a gravity knife and guess who goes to jail?"

Let me see if I understand this right. You think LEOs try to learn how to do something so that we can try to show a judge how something you have is illegal? Sorry, I do not have to go making up stuff so that I can find illegal behavior. People usually call us to point out illegal activity. Then we respond. If you are up to no good, I will approach you, the supreme court says that if I have suspicion to beleive you are armed, I can conduct a pat down of your outer clothing for weapons. & if I find one, and it's illegal, guess what , you are going to be charged. I don't have to do anything to make it illegal, it's illegal by statute. If it isn't, when I am done with this contact, I give it back. If it's nice, I might make an admiring comment about it. If you are nice, I might even strike up a conversation about knives, heck I might even show you some I carry. Plenty of illegal stuff happens everyday, I don't have to go out & make it up.
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Hay, I was not pointing at you, I was really talking about the Diago PO who picked up a liner lock from Paul Basch's table in SD about 15 years ago and took about 8 tries before he could "flick" it open and then arrested Paul and took his knives. You don't want to know what it cost Paul to get them back. Don't mistake me for someone who is anti Police, my father was a Provest Marshall, I was an M.P. my nephew is a Lt in the LA SD, I just don't like *******s and see no reason to help them. A. G.

 
Tell it like it is, A.G.

I'm not an LEO, but work in various police departments on a constant basis. LEOs are people. Some of them are very good guys. Some of them are not. Given their prominent nature, the bad ones have the ability to do great harm in many ways. Fortunately, most of the local LEOs here are good guys.
 
This is starting to remind me of that thread about Columbia River's debacle with customs

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As this has got out of hand and this is not what I wanted to start here, I think it best if we let this die.

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
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I thought about closing this thread until I re-read it carefully. In principle, we seem to agree on the main points , we are just coming at it from different perspectives. What we all seem to agree on is the following:
1) Flicking knives, while pleasurable, is fairly destructive to the knife being used and should only be practiced excessively on a knife we consider a "beater" I personally practice on a Benchmade Ascent that has been otherwise so trashed that I don't much care about its value.
2) Flicking may be an important technique in self defense, but like practicing drawing ones pistol, should only be practiced in private so as not to cause undue alarm.
People who show their knives and flick them in public, along with those who let their sidearms "flash" in public are no more than common exhibitionists. Like Massad Ayoob has stated, we who choose to go armed must hold ourselves to a higher standard. This means not showing off in public. That goes for knives as well as sidearms.
This is a good topic, worthy of discussion .
David

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Ok, when some describe flicking open are they talking about a Spyderco Drop? I am refering to just using a flick of the wrist, or pressing a button and flicking the wrist. Nothing else. I am thinking of my MOD CQD and the AXIS lock 710 (done twice). You do have to press the button on both.

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
Certified steel snob!
 
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