Horizontal Batoning

DocJD said:
I wouldn't be too sure . :confused:

You'd best have a very strong point on your knife and stay straight on with your battening , to avoid shearing forces .
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To withstand regular batoning, you need a strong tip as well. That is what you are wailing on with the baton to push the rest of the blade through the wood. In both methods, there will be strong forces if the knife gets stuck in twists and knots, and you are trying to push through or extract the blade.

The only time I thought this was a little sketchy was when I was extracting the blade from the base log. I ended up doing some prying action, which I could have avoided by jiggling front to back, not side to side. I suggest that everyone give this a try when they get the chance, and judge for themselves.
 
I'd love to hear your explanation as to how his law applies...
(Hint: it doesn't)
 
Allex said:
But it takes... Newton says so :)
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In the sense that the log is split by the blade, there are equal and opposite forces. In the method of propulsion, there is a big difference. There's much more shock when you are driving the blade with the baton; you can feel it in your hand. If you have a bomb proof knife, this won't matter. If you have a marginal knife, maybe going horizontal helps.
 
I'm trying to patent Z axis batoning.
1. Hold log to baton vertical (ie. standing like a tree). Don't use your hand! Dangerous!
2. Drop open knife with enough force to split log.
3.
4. Profit.

I'm having some problems with #2.
 
gazz98 said:
I'm trying to patent Z axis batoning.
1. Hold log to baton vertical (ie. standing like a tree). Don't use your hand! Dangerous!
2. Drop open knife with enough force to split log.
3.
4. Profit.

I'm having some problems with #2.
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Sir, 3 is invisible.
 
dogstar said:
In the sense that the log is split by the blade, there are equal and opposite forces. In the method of propulsion, there is a big difference. There's much more shock when you are driving the blade with the baton; you can feel it in your hand. If you have a bomb proof knife, this won't matter. If you have a marginal knife, maybe going horizontal helps.
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to stabilize the knife ( on the edge plane ) we need 2 points ( forces ), one on the tip and one on the handle. the force from the log (going perpendicular to the edge ) it wil be distributed according to the length on the knife and how deep is the tip of the knife driven into the wood. Deeper, less force into the handle. But the forces are here, on the tip and on the handle. It's easier on the hand because of this ( and because the knife it's also stabilized lateral by the tip sunk into the wood )
 
dogstar said:
Hit the wood, not your knife. You saw it here first!
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I think this was a pretty cool idea.

I see you get some flak from the guys who still think hating "bushcraft" and "batoning" is the latest hype, I wouldn't care to much about them comments. Hopefully, in 5-6 years they've found some new hate objects.. Godspeed on them. :rolleyes: 🤣

One thing I thought of, and it shows in the vid too, it's harder to hit the log as you have to be more accurate not to hit the base you're working on. You also have to find a fallen tree or something if you are doing this hiking. Other than that it looks very usefull/innovative and I'll try it 4 shure!

Thanks for sharing!
 
353 said:
I see you get some flak from the guys who still think hating "bushcraft" and "batoning" is the latest hype, I wouldn't care to much about them comments.
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Well, everybody hates something :p. I expect it from an online forum.

353 said:
One thing I thought of, and it shows in the vid too, it's harder to hit the log as you have to be more accurate not to hit the base you're working on.
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The diameter of that baton was too big for my hand, and I had already done some vertical batoning beforehand. My hand was tired and I was losing my grip. That's why you see me switching to a two hand grip in the middle of the video.

353 said:
You also have to find a fallen tree or something if you are doing this hiking.
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Yes, that is true. If I had done this on a stump, people would have said, "where are you going to find a perfect stump in the woods?" Like I said, this is not the ultimate skill, it's just another trick to have in your bag.

Thanks for your reply!
 
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