House Of The Dragon 08/21/2022

I dunno... After what they did with GOT Season 8, I REALLY don't know if I'm up for getting another super rushed and crappy finale in X number of years.
Probably going to pass until after the finish the series.
 
Ready and waiting . . .

also standing by for Rings of Power (Prime) scheduled to start on 9/2/2022.

Prime is providing free viewing of the LotR and Hobbit trilogies in advance of this release. I'm rewatching the LotR trilogy now.
 
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Should be fun. I'll give it a look after they release a few episodes.
 
I watch a youtube channel called. Talking Thrones
In case anyone is interested.

Also I agree the GOT ending SUCKED !!
 
evltcat said:
I dunno... After what they did with GOT Season 8, I REALLY don't know if I'm up for getting another super rushed and crappy finale in X number of years.
Probably going to pass until after the finish the series.
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I didn't like the end of GoT either but the "House of Dragons" is coming at it from the other end and it will be interesting to see how they envision the days when the Targaryens ruled and were eventually defeated (if the show goes that long) before House Baratheon took over (leading to the GoT).

Also, every episode of GoT that I saw was always better w/DRAGONS in it and there should be LOTS of dragons in "The House of Dragons." If not, it won't be as good IMO but I'll still watch it because I've already invested so much time watching the GoT. 🤷‍♂️
 
FOG2 said:
I watch a youtube channel called. Talking Thrones
In case anyone is interested.

Also I agree the GOT ending SUCKED !!
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I read the books and while they did have permission to use creative license I didn't think the ending was as bad as the die hard readers of the books made it out to be. If someone has never read the books then how can one assume the ending was bad? Was it bad because it didn't have the end result you wanted or was it bad because people told you it was? I rewatched that last season several times and I feel that it was fine. I don't see all the hate it's getting.
 
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I read the books and while they did have permission to use creative license I didn't think the ending was as bad as the die hard readers of the books made it out to be. If someone has never read the books then how can one assume the ending was bad? Was it bad because it didn't have the end result you wanted or was it bad because people told you it was? I rewatched that last season several times and I feel that it was fine. I don't see all the hate it's getting.
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I just didn't like the way that it ended.

Dany had to die but I think how she died could have been handled much differently.

I thought that Jon Snow (whose birth name was Aegon Targaryen) should taken the throne rather than be banished "Beyond the Wall" as a political concession to the Unsullied by a lame-a$$ council of questionable construct that "elected" Bran" as their new leader (who is lamely named "Bran The Broken" by Tyrion) who then lamely chooses Tyrion (the Loser) to be his "Hand."

Did you really like this ending for the show? If so, you're one of the few.

It would have been better in my mind for a Jon to take the throne because he was the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and had a greater claim to the throne than his aunt Dany. What was the point in revealing Jon's heritage and resurrecting him, if it all meant nothing in the end?

If Tyrion killed Dany (remember, he killed his father) because he feared what Dany had become, then there would have been no need to banish Jon as a political concession to the Unsullied. Jon would have then been free to claim the throne and he could have had Tyrion executed (eliminating the Lancaster line completely and entitling him to claim all that the Lanisters had), which would also have satisifed the Unsullied who he could have ask to serve him (or have them settle elsewhere in the kingdom, if that was there choice, which is what they apparently did in the end). And, lastly, he could have agreed to leave the North to Sansa as Bran did. Then Bran could have gone off to whatever a 3 Eyed Raven does. And Arya could still sail the 7 seas.

I just made this all up and the writers/producers of GoT easily could have done the same (or better w/their time/resources) but they didn't.

An ending like this would have eliminated the broad dissatisfaction w/the ending that we all saw (and most of us hated), based on the same feeling as mine, which was that Jon Snow should have become the king in the end (not Bran who had no rightful claim to it to begin with).

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PS: Just had what I think is an even better idea. 💡

If Tyrion killed Dany, it would have been really cool if the remaining Dragon (forget his name) killed Tyrion in retaliation before melting the throne of swords and picking up Dany and flying to parts unknown. Then the way for Jon to become king w/o any further need to deal w/Tyrion.

That would have been well worth filming and seeing. :)
 
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I got into watching GOT late in the game.

Funny thing, despite having HBO throughout the entire series, I never watched it. I ended up watching the entire series on DVD after it was over (checked out from my local library). And I'm glad I didn't watch it on HBO. Watching it on DVD I really liked that I didn't have to wait one week to the next, or one season to the next to find out what happens. I was able to binge watch the entire series.

I liked it well enough. I couldn't care less about dragons, but I liked the plotting, scheming and maneuvering.

As for the ending, I thought it was just fine. I don't get all the uproar, but then again, I wasn't "in love" with any of the characters. And I think that might be part of the problem- people got emotionally invested in their favorite characters over several years and wanted to see them have happy endings. I watched the entire series in a few weeks, so I didn't have the same amount of time invested as many others.

I remember people being really upset that the "dragon queen" turned bad and burned the city and all the people. But to me that made perfect sense, after all, as I remember, her family members had a history of going crazy and killing people. And it looked to me like she was heading that way.

As for Jon Snow, he didn't get a "Hollywood happy ending", and I liked that. I call it "The Empire Strikes Back effect". Empire is widely considered (including by me) to be the best of all the Star Wars movies, and the reason is because it's such a downer, no upbeat happy ending. Sometimes I like a happy ending, but sometimes I like a downer.

I will say, to my surprise, I was strongly affected by the "death" of Jon Snow. I was in actual shock. I mean, I like when writers/directors are willing to surprise the audience and kill off major characters, but I couldn't believe that they would kill HIM off. I actually went online to investigate to see if maybe he wasn't really dead. Clearly I'm not immune to getting emotionally invested in fictional characters myself. And fortunately I didn't have to wait a year to see what happened next.

As for how things ended for Jon Snow, hey, at least he isn't dead.
 
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sgt1372 said:
I didn't like the end of GoT either but the "House of Dragons" is coming at it from the other end and it will be interesting to see how they envision the days when the Targaryens ruled and were eventually defeated (if the show goes that long) before House Baratheon took over (leading to the GoT).

Also, every episode of GoT that I saw was always better w/DRAGONS in it and there should be LOTS of dragons in "The House of Dragons." If not, it won't be as good IMO but I'll still watch it because I've already invested so much time watching the GoT. 🤷‍♂️
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I hope you're right! I'm a huge Matt Smith fan, he was one of my favorite Doctors!

Gonna wait and see. :)
 
Monofletch said:
Hell, I just finished season 1 of GoT!!
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Long way to go. ;)

But you really don't need to know what happened in GoT to watch House of Dragons because HoD occurs 200 years before GoT starts. So, they're really entirely separate shows.

But, if you want some context, GoT starts after the last of the Targaryens - Aerys II (aka "The Mad King") -- is killed by Jamie Lanister during a rebellion )(civil war) lead by Robert Bartheon and supported by others who are featured in the GoT. Robert married Cerci Lanister as a concession to Tywin Lanister who assisted in the rebellion. Jaime is Cersi's twin brother. Jaime was a member of Aerys II's kingsguard. He killed Aerys II sometime during the rebellion when he ordered the destruction of Kings Landing city prior to its invasion by Twin's forces. Cersi has a crazy sadistic son named Joffery, who is not Robert's son but Jaime's because Cersi and Jaime have an ongoing incestuous relationship during the entire show. Robert is killed in a boar "accident" and Joffery illegitmately ascends to the throne.

And, it gets even more complicated after that . . . LOL! 🤣

For more background on Robert's Rebellion and the political complexities involved in that event and the role of the major players in GoT who took part in that event just before Season 1 begins, take a look at the following link:

gameofthrones.fandom.com

Robert's Rebellion

This page is about the civil war. For other uses, see: Robert's Rebellion (disambiguation) Robert's Rebellion, known as the War of the Usurper to Targaryen loyalists, was one of the last great civil wars among the Great Houses of Westeros that took place approximately seventeen years before the...
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evltcat said:
I hope you're right! I'm a huge Matt Smith fan, he was one of my favorite Doctors!

Gonna wait and see. :)
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Looked him up but but don't think I've ever seen him in anything before. I guess I'll find out if I like him or not after I start watching the series.
 
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I did enjoy the 1st episode, altho I thought it needed at least 1 midget and more Dragons !
And how about that scene where the choice is made to kill the wife hoping for a baby boy.
 
The 1st 2 episodes of the House of the Dragon (HotD) were boring to me. too much talking, not enough dragons

Liked the 1st 2 episodes of the Rings of Power (RoP) better -- more action and prettier women -- even though the brothel scene in Episode 1 or 2 (I forget which)of HotD was a nice throw back to Got but it was just a tease because not much skin was shown.

Episode 3 of HotD was better. The 1st 1/2 of the episode was just more talking but the ending made up for it.

The King's brother -- Daemon -- is proving to be a real "pr*ck" and the screenwriting a bit far fetched in Episode 3.

Daemon's fighting a war (I'm not sure why) and losing badly. He brutalizes (if not kills) a messenger who delivers a message from his brother -- the King -- telling him that he (the King) is sending support to assist Daemon in the battle. Didn't he ever hear that you're not supposed to kill the messenger?

Then Daemon falsely raises a white flag to lure the enemy out and attacks them single handedly, somehow runs across the battlefield alone (killing everyone he meets while avoiding volleys of arrows in the process) towards the opposing leader until he's finally hit by a couple of arrows and is about to be overrun and killed by 100's of soldiers who are surrounding him, when (of course) a dragon flies in to burn everyone around him to death which allows him to hunt down and kill the opposition leader while the 2 sides engage in a pretty butal hand-to hand battle scene.

Crazy but at least entertaining in the end. LOL! ;)
 
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sgt1372 said:
The 1st 2 episodes of the House of the Dragon (HotD) were boring to me. too much talking, not enough dragons

Liked the 1st 2 episodes of the Rings of Power (RoP) better -- more action and prettier women -- even though the brothel scene in Episode 1 or 2 (I forget which)of HotD was a nice throw back to Got but it was just a tease because not much skin was shown.

Episode 3 of HotD was better. The 1st 1/2 of the episode was just more talking but the ending made up for it.

The King's brother -- Daemon -- is proving to be a real "pr*ck" and the screenwriting a bit far fetched in Episode 3.

Daemon's fighting a war (I'm not sure why) and losing badly. He brutalizes (if not kills) a messenger who delivers a message from his brother -- the King -- telling him that he (the King) is sending support to assist Daemon in the battle. Didn't he ever hear that you're not supposed to kill the messenger?

Then Daemon falsely raises a white flag to lure the enemy out and attacks them single handedly, somehow runs across the battlefield alone (killing everyone he meets while avoiding volleys of arrows in the process) towards the opposing leader until he's finally hit by a couple of arrows and is about to be overrun and killed by 100's of soldiers who are surrounding him, when (of course) a dragon flies in to burn everyone around him to death which allows him to hunt down and kill the opposition leader while the 2 sides engage in a pretty butal hand-to hand battle scene.

Crazy but at least entertaining in the end. LOL! ;)
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It is entertaining. I guess we can assume the King's maggot finger got healed, they brought up no more about it.
 
SimplyMinded said:
It is entertaining. I guess we can assume the King's maggot finger got healed, they brought up no more about it.
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Nope. They showed how that's going. Ain't great for the king.

(IIRC, it was the scene towards the end where he's speaking to his wife in private.)
 
Just watched Episode 4 of HotD.

More talking heads, intrigue and politics, which seems to be the way HotD will continue. Scenes are slow to develop and I really had to pay attention to keep track of what was going on.

Just wish the show wasn't shot so darkly. It was hard to see a lot of what was going on my laptop, including the brothel, seduction and f*cking scenes which was very disappointmebt. LOL! ;)

Still liking RoP better but they are obviously coming at their stories from widely different directions.
 
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I haven't watched the last 2 episodes, thinking I will binge watch a few at a time.
Not heartened by the reports so far tho.
 
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