How about a Sub Machine gun? Or other selective fire pieces.

Just for sh*ts & giggles, I did a search on "Gatling Guns" and found a couple of sites which offer kits and fully finished and functional models for sale. Anyone ever shoot one of these?

Eric

kinda hard to fit in your pocket, they are a manually loaded weapon, requiring a manipulation of the mechanism by muscle power, so are not considered a full auto weapon under the federal rules, and being of an antique design, repros abound. motorising it might be a bit illegal tho & some states and local govt. may ban them. have seen them at re enactments, i understand the originals, a crew served weapon, were a bit touchy about how fast you cranked them and would jam fairly easy if you over did it, the mechanism was fairly loose as it needed to take a lot of black powder fouling, which is why mr. maxim got where he did. would still do a good job on zombies and after a few mags, no one can see you in all that smoke. the beginning of clint eastwood's movie 'outlaw josy wales' was a good 'gatling gun' movie....the yank's had two & still got their arses whupped by the po' johnny rebs. i also liked the bit at the end where they are attacked by a tribe of savage redleg yankees and are rescued in the knick of time by the arrival of the Comanche army.

almost bought one in .22lr when i was back home, but never got around to it. probably woulda bought an M14 1st anyway.
 
Good choice, John. Having toted around various full auto wunderkind, make mine a bolt action or single shot.....they get the job done with much less fuss.
 
I guess that the Gatling Gun is best suited for history buffs and movie screens (ie., Jesse Ventura - Predator), outside of military applications. Still, even if impractical for personal use, it has a certain coolness factor.

Eric
 
I've shot full and semi-auto versions of a couple different subguns (Uzi, MP5) and a full-auto M4, and I have to say I really can't see myself ever needing a full auto gun. It's kind of like automatic knives- they have that cool factor, but don't really do anything better than their civvie legal counterparts. A full-auto SMG would be great for hosing down a room full of people- but who besides a soldier or a SWAT officer needs to do that? It's certainly not on my "to-do" list. Shooting a full-auto UZI, all I could think about was how much money it was costing me. It works out to something like 4 bucks a second, using cheap Greek surplus ammo. I like to shoot what I own, and I can shoot a .22LR all day for what it costs to burp a FA for a couple seconds.

But I do like pistol-caliber carbines and SMG looking semi-auto guns. Honestly, my favorite of the breed that I've shot has been the Beretta Storm. That thing was crazy accurate at 50 yards- putting a full clip into one ragged hole, standing, using open sights. The FN P90 looks really cool- they have one in the shop down the street that I've been eyeing- but the ammo very expensive and hard to come by. For the mall-ninja factor, it's hard to beat the FN P90. That's what they use on Stargate, so you know it has to be badass.

For home defense, I feel perfectly safe with just my Glock. I don't anticipate a "human wave" attack anytime soon.
 
IMO the Beretta Storm needs better sights...in that you can't see the front site in low light conditions...or maybe my eyes are getting old. For me anyway, the Storm screams for some after market attention. Does shoot great though.

Of course Uzi sights suck in low light conditions too.

My Uzi:
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Nice. Since Byron has no children or siblings, I get his collection when he passes, including the Uzi.

I hope I have to wait a long time for it.

J
 
I remember the Ares folding SMG from the 80's. It folded down into a small rectangular box - never saw the "radio" model though. I think the Ares model I saw came out roughly at the same time ot the Jhati (Jati?) SMG - and everyone was lusting after those.Then certain people started putting Mini Uzi and Mac's into suitcases and the Ares was sort of forgotten.
A bit of a blast from the past...
 
I've shot full and semi-auto versions of a couple different subguns (Uzi, MP5) and a full-auto M4, and I have to say I really can't see myself ever needing a full auto gun. It's kind of like automatic knives- they have that cool factor, but don't really do anything better than their civvie legal counterparts. A full-auto SMG would be great for hosing down a room full of people- but who besides a soldier or a SWAT officer needs to do that?......
For home defense, I feel perfectly safe with just my Glock. I don't anticipate a "human wave" attack anytime soon.

Precisely my point of view. If anyone in law enforcement had a legitimate reason to tote around a full auto anything, it would be me or mine in the DEA (I ran the Detroit task force for a number of years). I was issued several and they stayed in the trunk, for the following reasons
(1) More ammo required to do the same job
(2) Wondering where those extra rounds went in the neighborhood
(3) A short 37" OAL shotgun is much better in built up areas
(4) If you can't get it done with a couple pistol rounds, or one 12 guage, you better have the cavalry standing by.
(5) You can shoot the bad guy with anything you want, and the press will ignore the whole case (that's good) unless a full auto is involved on either side, then brother stand by, the press is all over you for weeks (that's not good).
(6) You don't run out o de booolets so fast (dat's good too)

In the final analysis, they weren't paying me to kill people, but to bring them in front of a Judge. That said, too many people got perforated on my watch. Trust me on this.....you don't wan't to be able to say that as you get older...................................jn
 
Precisely my point of view. If anyone in law enforcement had a legitimate reason to tote around a full auto anything, it would be me or mine in the DEA (I ran the Detroit task force for a number of years). I was issued several and they stayed in the trunk, for the following reasons
(1) More ammo required to do the same job
(2) Wondering where those extra rounds went in the neighborhood
(3) A short 37" OAL shotgun is much better in built up areas
(4) If you can't get it done with a couple pistol rounds, or one 12 guage, you better have the cavalry standing by.
(5) You can shoot the bad guy with anything you want, and the press will ignore the whole case (that's good) unless a full auto is involved on either side, then brother stand by, the press is all over you for weeks (that's not good).
(6) You don't run out o de booolets so fast (dat's good too)

In the final analysis, they weren't paying me to kill people, but to bring them in front of a Judge. That said, too many people got perforated on my watch. Trust me on this.....you don't wan't to be able to say that as you get older...................................jn

Agreed JN. Though I am not in Law Enforcement, I have friends that are or were. One of my best friends usually had his favorite piece nearby. A 20 guage pump with a very short barrell and short pistol grip stock.

He said that usually all he had to do was to cycle the pump and he had the bad guy's full attention and surrender.

He also carried a Browning Hi-Power, and some little .38 in an ankle holster.
 
Full auto weapons are fun, no doubt about that.
I enjoy renting an MP5 from time to time.
I have shot an MG-34, Thompson, MP5, Uzi, and a Mac-10.
An SMG as a home defense weapon is a just one big legal can of worms.
I have decided they just arent worth the hassle, or expense, at least for me.
DaddyDett
 
Just for sh*ts & giggles, I did a search on "Gatling Guns" and found a couple of sites which offer kits and fully finished and functional models for sale. Anyone ever shoot one of these?

Eric


I have a friend who made one in 22 caliber.....Even 22s are nasty when you get 600 a minute coming at you...It wasn't accurate at 50 yards but even if 10% hit you got 60 rounds in you....LOL:D
 
Reminds me of the first time I ever fired a full auto. Please bear in mind, this all transpired during a period of relatively youthful stupidity. (early twenties, but I've matured slowly...):o So please...judge gently...

After countless hours of tinkering with a dremel tool, hacksaw blade, forceps, and a blow torch my SKS drop in auto sear was finally finished and ready for field testing. Grinning ear to ear I held the trigger back and listened to the satisfying "click" of the sear tripping every time the chamber locked. (wasn't working off of slam fire principles)

digging under the car seats, in the ash trays, between the couch cushions, laundry room, etc. I finally scraped up enough change to buy a few boxes of ammo and load up a couple of my thirty round mags.

Off to the country, my buddy and me drove....and drove....and drove...and drove.....

off a far flung woodland trail we drove....and drove some more....

Over fallen trees, up hills, through mud we continued to drive until we were sure there wouldn't be a pack of ATF and FBI agents nearby to swing forth from the trees and arrest us.

It was twilight by this time, and I parked the truck. Started gathering every tin can I could find out of the bed and lined ten or so of them up on a hill at easy rock chucking distance.

Taking one more peak around for secret service or CIA agents I took my weapon of mass destruction out from behind the seat and inserted the mag with an expression on my face much like "Rambo" had before he went to town with an M-60 I WAS A BAAAAAD MO-FO!!!! and I knew it. My dog cowered in the bed of the truck. My buddy hid behind the largest tree he could find and plugged his ears with trembling fingers.

It was time. grinning with malicious glee I chambered my first round, lifted the gun to my shoulder and took careful aim. BOOGA!!! BOOGA!! BOOGA!!! BOOGA!!! BOOM!!! The muzzle climbed like crazy, dirt, roots, and bark flew in every direction. my whole body felt like it was ringing, the dog was just about crying.

With satisfaction I gazed upon the targets which I had wrought such heavy destruction only to notice that every single can I had set up was still standing. Still unmolested. pointing and laughing at me. Every Coca Cola label, every Moosehead lable unscathed, except for the tears of mirth I would have sworn were streaming forth from thier mocking eyes.

a tough, rugged man such as me was not to be trifled with. Certainly not by a line of tin cans.

Rapidly I inserted another mag, and decided to aim from my hip for more control. If it worked in Red Dawn it would work for me, right? Screaming out "HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW *&^#@*!!!!er??!!" I let loose with another torrential shower of hot lead. Thirty more screaming hot lead projectiles with each of thier names written on them.

Once again I watched the dust settle, waited for my eyeballs to quit jiggling only to find that each can continued to stand, point, and laugh at me. This time a couple of squirrels in a nearby tree joined in the mockery, as well as a coyote that poked his head up over the hill. At least my dog felt sorry for me. She went, laid in the firing lane, and played dead for a few seconds. Then jumped back in the truck for a snooze.

Sighing with frustration I did what any true tough guy soldier of fortune type would do in this situation. I made sure the rifle was empty, leaned it against a tree and drew my .40 caliber Glock from my hip. At this point the cans were even harder to hit because they were doubled over laughing themselves to a point of delirium and shaking all over the place. Or maybe my eyeballs were still bouncing....

In any case I whipped my Glock from it's holster and lined up right on the first can. Pow! Down it went, nearly ripped in half. Pow! pow! pow! pow! I worked my way straight down the line Like Sgt. York. One shot per can. One kill per shot. YARRRR!!! Vengeance was mine. All of a sudden the laughing woodland forest creatures disappeared. (or had I imagined them?) My dog suddenly looked on with interest, and my buddy even quit digging his foxhole.

The mission was a success. Two and a half hours driving to eleminate ten tin cans. Well worth it.

Of course, no mission is truly successful until you've made your escape. So, pulling the auto sear from my gun in about thirty seconds I threw it under my floor mat where it would blend with all the other loose nuts, bolts, and screws down there, threw my gun behind the seat and snuck out of there in true stealth fashion.

Thankfully, my Big block V-8 with worn out glass packs didn't start a forest fire as I tore back down that trail at 90 MPH and 4500 RPM.

Further making a discreet exit when we hit pavement I jacked my truck all the way up to 110 MPH. If anything, they'd never catch me through the cloud of blue smoke I was leaving behind. Can never be too careful when it comes to them gummint agencies ya' know. Could be they heard the sound of my full auto out in the woods and were trying to focus on me with some kinda satellite laser beam at that very moment....


after getting home and recovering a bit I destroyed my auto sear and threw it away, never to be tinkered with again. It just wasn't worth the nerves, tension, or urine soaked underwear. Not to mention the humiliation and name calling.

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Reminds me of the first time I ever fired a full auto. ......After countless hours of tinkering with a dremel tool, hacksaw blade, forceps, and a blow torch my SKS drop in auto sear was finally finished and ready for field testing. .......off a far flung woodland trail we drove....and drove some more....


It was time. grinning with malicious glee I chambered my first round, lifted the gun to my shoulder and took careful aim. BOOGA!!! BOOGA!! BOOGA!!! BOOGA!!! BOOM!!! The muzzle climbed like crazy, dirt, roots, and bark flew in every direction. my whole body felt like it was ringing, the dog was just about crying. With satisfaction I gazed upon the targets which I had wrought such heavy destruction only to notice that every single can I had set up was still standing. Still unmolested. pointing and laughing at me. Every Coca Cola label, every Moosehead lable unscathed, except for the tears of mirth I would have sworn were streaming forth from thier mocking eyes.......

Once again I watched the dust settle, waited for my eyeballs to quit jiggling only to find that each can continued to stand, point, and laugh at me. This time a couple of squirrels in a nearby tree joined in the mockery, as well as a coyote that poked his head up over the hill. At least my dog felt sorry for me. In any case I whipped my Glock from it's holster and lined up right on the first can. Pow! Down it went, nearly ripped in half. Pow! pow! pow! pow! I worked my way straight down the line Like Sgt. York. One shot per can..... Of course, no mission is truly successful until you've made your escape. So, pulling the auto sear from my gun in about thirty seconds I threw it under my floor mat where it would blend with all the other loose nuts, bolts, and screws down there, threw my gun behind the seat and snuck out of there in true stealth fashion......
after getting home and recovering a bit I destroyed my auto sear and threw it away, never to be tinkered with again. It just wasn't worth the nerves, tension, or urine soaked underwear. Not to mention the humiliation and name calling.

My trusty handgun and 870 have been the undisputed champs of my arsenal ever since.

I rest my case..........the preceeding is a perfect example of why even I, as a retired Fed, have NO use for a full auto anything :D :D :D
 
RWS, that was a great read! Felt like I was there... Like that 80's Kinks song, "Para-noia will destroy ya..."

Mike :D
 
Um...guys?

You might want to think twice about what you post here...it can all be pulled with a court order.

Honestly trying to help...
 
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