how about a swamp rat knife in D-test?

chiral.grolim said:
:D LOL :D
Wow, that was a good one! "Heart and soul" ... into a production knife!!! :p
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If it were me that designed the RatManDu then yes, I would not be embarassed to admit that each production RMD has my heart and soul in it. I don't see why it should matter if it's a production knife or a one off custom if it's my design.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious to see how a M6 or CW would perform though:o.
 
I found Busse/Kin knives by finding Knifetest.com so in that regard, it was helpful too me. While the test may not be very scientific, it certainly gives you a idea of what you are buying. I have no doubt that my Busse/Kin knives are tough and I seriously doubt I will ever break one. As for as a destruction test, I would certainly watch it if it were done out of curiousity if nothing else.
 
I personally find ZERO value is destroying a knife in ways that it's not designed to be used anyway. Worthless info for ME and how I use my knives. Maybe I'm in the minority.
 
You are not alone MajorD.
 
amflud said:
If it were me that designed the RatManDu then yes, I would not be embarassed to admit that each production RMD has my heart and soul in it. I don't see why it should matter if it's a production knife or a one off custom if it's my design.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious to see how a M6 or CW would perform though:o.
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The difference I see in custom vs. production is the dignity of individual effort (actual heart-beats, etc.) invested into a product meant to last a lifetime vs. machine effort to reproduce exact copies of a specific design - the old argument regarding the dignity of handmade *shrug* just my opinion.

As to the general design, that can only be affronted when the design itself is attacked which can only happen when the tool is being used as designed: e.g. the only time a spoon-design can be attacked is when being used as a spoon (it's intended purpose) and performing poorly. As long as it performs well at that purpose, any other use of the item can only compliment it's abilities and design, for where it fails the user can rightly be told: "It wasn't designed for that.";)

Swamp Rats are designed to take a beating, or so I would surmise from size/width/steel choice/warranty. I've seen videos of people batonning wood with theirs - great, but so what? I can baton wood with a $10 Mora. I'd love to see what sort of stress a rat can take beyond expectations of a mora, or even of most knives :cool:

My personal preference would be to see a TazRat put through the paces, but that's only because I've been ogling the recent posts and would appreciate any "porn" so associated, esp. when I'm confident it'll glorify the swamp.:thumbup:


p.s. I enjoyed the quick Scrapizashi advertisement vids too. I've even be happy with something as simple as that, though the 'mask-wearing baffoon' gives a more thorough demonstration and gets more views (read: better advertising).
 
chiral.grolim said:
"Credibility"? At the risk of getting this thread thrown away, could you extrapolate?
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In simpler words, beating the crap out of a knife with a sledgehammer till it breaks doesn't really prove anything but that you can break a knife with a hammer.
 
Personally, I think the D-test is pointless. Interesting, yes, but highly unnecessary. I've pushed my Bussekin blades pretty hard to well beyond "normal knife use" with no failures and I doubt that will ever change. I still have never needed to break one intentionally with a hammer and a welded chunk of steel. :rolleyes: This is also why I want the KhukRat to be thin and res-c. Any of you that think you are going to find a practical & necessary use that will break a .187" thick blade will be hard pressed to realistically do so with any kind of rationally justified explanation.

Now what I would like to see is an AK47 custom ground down to the same length as a Waki, then given identical edge geometry in order to conduct a fairly scientific edge on edge test of INFI vs SR101 swords. :eek: It could finally settle some questions about the two steels AND be an interesting demonstration of a realistic potential hard use for them. A simulated Bussekin sword fight! :thumbup: Talk about a sweet "what if the zombies have good taste too" video! :p
 
leatherman said:
In simpler words, beating the crap out of a knife with a sledgehammer till it breaks doesn't really prove anything but that you can break a knife with a hammer.
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Actually, the when and how are quite demonstrative, sort of like breaking a 1" branch over my knee vs. doing the same to a 2" branch, or even a 4" branch - the effort required and the time as well are both notably important factors regarding specific durability of the selected objects. In my line of work, I can chew up any sort of mammalian cell via treatment with Trypsin, but some cells are more resistant - it takes longer to destroy them or requires more/harsher manipulation, information that is key to my research. But that has little to do with "credibility".

Buffalohump said:
FYI: This subject has been exhaustively debated on BF. Do a search and set aside half a day to go through the threads.
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Most of those threads got tossed, and many others resulted in flame-wars by psuedo/wannabe science-officianados making ridiculous pronouncements against the "tester" while supplying severely flawed criticisms of his method :p. I've yet to come across a thread which made a scientifically valid argument against the "credibility" of the demonstrations, just general method-complaints. Peoples' interpretations of the 'results' might lack credibility (or rather rational justification), but the videos themselves??

So I still don't get the hate... *shrug*

Recently, effer was quite conversational and I managed a few pages of analyses after the Bravo1 post to flush-out his concerns regarding the method - http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=782282 - our 1st contributions start at post #16.

AZTimT said:
Personally, I think the D-test is pointless. Interesting, yes, but highly unnecessary. I've pushed my Bussekin blades pretty hard to well beyond "normal knife use" with no failures and I doubt that will ever change.
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I think this statement (based on what follows it) would be more correctly (honestly) phrased thus:
"For me the D-test is pointless. Interesting, yes, but highly unnecessary."
That "For me" is key - it presents subjectivity, the "I don't need to know what the stress limits of my tool are via limit-testing, such information is not important to me." :thumbup: Indeed, it isn't important to a lot of people... but it is interesting, and it is indeed important to some people, including people who would benefit greatly from Bussekin knives if they were aware of their capabilities or might suffer when some other hyped tool fails them. *shrug* To each his own, no?

AZTimT said:
Any of you that think you are going to find a practical & necessary use that will break a .187" thick blade will be hard pressed to realistically do so with any kind of rationally justified explanation.
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Join the Army ;) (although maybe that automatically discounts "rationally justified explanation"?:D) But seriously, some people don't trust less than 0.20" for a "hard-use" knife, maybe because they haven't seen the capabilities of a thinner/lighter knife from better steel or a better maker. Limit-testing is a way to demonstrate those capabilities :thumbup:

AZTimT said:
Now what I would like to see is an AK47 custom ground down to the same length as a Waki, then given identical edge geometry in order to conduct a fairly scientific edge on edge test of INFI vs SR101 swords. :eek: It could finally settle some questions about the two steels AND be an interesting demonstration of a realistic potential hard use for them. A simulated Bussekin sword fight!...
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:D While I'd enjoy watching ANY bussekin sword-fight video :thumbup: (however 'realistic' the use may or may not be), you'd be pretty hard-pressed to conduct any even minimally 'scientific' edge-on-edge test to compare steels. For cutting tests, you're much better off using both blades to cut the same medium.


This needn't carry on, but I would like to see some videos of Rats being limit/D-tested since Cliff Stamp's reviews are long gone, few included destruction limits, and none included video... I miss cutleryscience.com.
 
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