How about Berreta Cougers?

Tamishigiri, dang, a Special Edition Valet Model? I must have one! I still think that guy was a car jacker, even if he did piss his pants! :D That story do get around!

The Springfields I have handled lately were kina poor for the money. Seems sloopily done for a big money pistol. Ill stick with the Kimbers for box stock 1911's for now.

I dont like the Kahr's wither!
:p Maybe Tom is right, stick with what I know! :)

Tut, 9mm's suck! However I still wouldnt want to get shot with one. :cool:
 
My dad has a Cougar that has had about 6-700 rounds put through it, with one failure to feed. I don't like the ergonomics of the grip, either.

Our Glocks are superb right out of the box. And if you get a good 1911, they're good, too. I've seen a lot of problems with them, though. If you get a 1911, stick with Colt. My dad just had a Kimber totally fail on him repeatedly, and several years ago he had a Springfield fail repeatedly. A gunsmith told us that many of these guns need to be "massaged." There shouldn't be any reason why a gun can't work right straight out of the box. In light of all the hacks that call themselves gunsmiths, I just don't deal with gunsmiths anymore.

Save yourself a lot of hassle; get a Colt or a Glock. All the rest can go to the massage parlors.
 
If you handle/own enough guns from any one manufacturer you will find they all produce a lemon now and then even Glock and absolutely ,Colt. Most 1911's that people get frustrated with just need a little break in time. The whole "massage" business was started on Colt 1911's. I've owned 4 Kimber 1911's and have yet to have a warranty problem that affected function(I sent one back for a cosmetic prob.). HK, Glock, Kimber etc.. all produce quality guns. What sets these companies apart is the service provided when you have a problem with one of their products.
 
Have you considered the CZ-97? I should say that I've never tried one myself, but if it's as good as the CZ-75 9mm I used to have it's definitely worth taking a look at. All steel, frame mounted safety for cocked-and-locked carry. Check it out:

http://www.czusa.com/_p/pdt.php?id=11
 
Rob, I too have seen this happen with a Glock once. Took all of two seconds to solve the problem. The "Internet Genius" that owned the pistol had found some nifty web site that explained how to take the pistol apart well enough, but it was a little shy on details of re assembly it seems. Said "Genius" had reinstalled his "Side Lock" backwards (aka "The part that 'locks' the 'slide' to the frame"). Flipping the slide lock 180 degrees did wonders. ;)
 
Main thing...........know the way to Carnegie Hall...
and I know Rob does that one..........practice, practice, practice!
Whatever gun you get.......I dont like those Cougars...too short, too fat.......make sure its in the CALIBER you want....and it fits your hand......I got that Glock 27 and I DO NOT like it....I have been to the range twice for extended sessions and I can NOT shoot it....a 45 a much better gun to me....I would rather be shooting a nine and get them in a nice group than risk my life with that Glock....or course if the bg was 3 yards away I am sure it would work!
 
One more thing...weve all heard it...but here it is again....Bandaidman....Hes a ER doc in nashville....told me that he sees guys come in all the time with 9 wounds...and go home three days later......the guys that have been shot with 45s go to the morgue!
 
Tom, did you get an extended mag for that 27? It makes a world of difference in grip, hence accuracy. The compacts are the only models of Glock I really don't much like, except for the 36 which I really do like a lot. Short fat grips are kinda like short fat ladies, just not my style...
 
Two in the head.

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Yea, I know that Glocks and Colts can fail. I had a friend who, about 20 years ago, bought a Colt Commander. It was a complete lemon. He sent it to Colt and they didn't fix the problem, either. Over the years, I've seen about a 50/50 success rate on 1911s being reliable straight out of the box. Generally, I've seen less problems with the Colts, though.

The least amount of problems I've seen are with Glocks. The guys I talk to at the shooting ranges have told me the same thing about Glocks: the most durable, the most reliable, and very good customer service.

I've just been snake bit over the years when it comes to semi-autos and I am very leery about anyone other than the factory working on my gun. Even the factory, however, sometimes sometimes fails to get the job done. Hence my desire that the gun be good straight out of the box.

Also, if you have to deal with Colt, they sometimes cop a real bad attitude. But that's a whole different subject.:mad: There are reasons why they've gone into bankruptcty repeatedly over the years, and I think attitude is one of them.
 
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