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How about more Urban survival stuff?? Those were interesting threads and stories.
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I really enjoy this thread. Let me give you some background info about my situation here.
I live in Berlin, the capital city of Germany. I live in the inner city, not a bad neighbourhood per se, but there are mostly arabic/turkish people here, and cultural differences often lead to conflict. I don't own a car, I get where I need to get by bike/skateboard/public transportation. I can't legally carry a gun. I do carry a knife most of the time. I don't see knives as defensive weapons, but they do have some impact as a visual deterrent. I also always carry a strong flashlight, and sometimes some pepper gel.
A big threat here is being alone with "the enemy" (I'll just use the terminology from JV3's post) in a subway station at, say, 0400. There's no one else around, and if there is, they're too drunk/tired/ignorant/scared to give a damn. This is not a joke, there have been several people literally kicked to death in Berlin subway stations in the last few months. My strategy is to avoid these situations completely, by staying at friend's places overnight or leaving early. If I have to travel at night, I try to make contact with people who look trustworthy or travel with friends. You're much less likely to be attacked if you're in a group.
I try not to look like a target. I'm not a big guy at 6' 180lbs, so my physical presence isn't worth much. I mostly wear all black (because I like it) and cover my face and head when travelling alone. It's much easier to keep an eye on things when people can't really see your eyes. I like to believe that the less you see of a person, the more intimidating they might look. I wear earphones for that "Don't talk to me" message, but I keep the volume down so I can still hear what's happening around me. I wear steel-toe boots. They are one of the best concealed hand-to-hand weapons out there. One firm kick, you might crack a shin or a few ribs if you're lucky.
The "reach for your gun" thing is very good advice. I've been doing that in situations that just weren't kosher to me for a few months, and it's always worked out pretty well. When a friend gets approached and starts talking to the approacher (and there's something about that situation I don't like), I like to go at a distance of 3-4 feet, "reach for my gun" and keep a watchful eye on the stranger. It's good. Makes people nervous.
I'm usually a polite person, but "Whatever it is, your answer is NO" is very sound advice. I've had some strange encounters with people that would come a tad too close to me. Usually I just take a small step away, that's the point where most people notice that they were inside my personal space and stay where they are. If the person doesn't stay and follows me, I address them directly, for instance "You in the grey jacket. Stay away." Imagine that, coming in a calm voice from a hood you can't really see under... I guess I would keep my distance. Anyone who gets too close to you might be acting on his own, or be a decoy for pickpockets or any sort of bad people.
A few years ago, I was walking through a crowded mall with a friend (who I've learned quite a bit from in this area we're talking about here). Someone bumped into me and smeared some ice cream on my shirt, started apologizing like crazy and wiping on the stain with some paper napkins. My friend reacted by pushing his arm between me and the person, reaching around me and pulling me to the side, while simultaneously giving a hard shove to a 16 year old turkish kid behind me. The kid fell down, and while he was falling, my wallet slipped from his fingers. You're lucky if they only take your stuff. If something like that happens to you without 100s of people around, don't stop walking. Not even for a second. Just keep walking, you can wash the ice cream out of your shirt, replacing a stolen wallet or getting stitched up at the hospital will cost you a lot more.
I carry kevlar gloves. They are cut resistant to a certain degree, and there's nothing like the face of the guy who you just disarmed by grabbing his knife by the blade and wrenching it out of is hand.
If all else fails, do what my Krav Maga instructor always tells me: "Make it so that the other guy runs slower than you. And then run." If you manage to disarm someone, run away with the weapon and discard it. If you have to hit, hit hard and fast with whatever you got. Make it hurt. Make it impossible for them to run. Someone with a cracked shin or patella, a dislocated knee or ankle, or a severed quadriceps is not physically able to run. He might hobble, but if you're running, you'll be out of his reach in seconds.
I live in Berlin, the capital city of Germany. I live in the inner city, not a bad neighbourhood per se, but there are mostly arabic/turkish people here, and cultural differences often lead to conflict. I don't own a car, I get where I need to get by bike/skateboard/public transportation. I can't legally carry a gun. I do carry a knife most of the time. I don't see knives as defensive weapons, but they do have some impact as a visual deterrent. I also always carry a strong flashlight, and sometimes some pepper gel.
A big threat here is being alone with "the enemy" (I'll just use the terminology from JV3's post) in a subway station at, say, 0400. There's no one else around, and if there is, they're too drunk/tired/ignorant/scared to give a damn. This is not a joke, there have been several people literally kicked to death in Berlin subway stations in the last few months. My strategy is to avoid these situations completely, by staying at friend's places overnight or leaving early. If I have to travel at night, I try to make contact with people who look trustworthy or travel with friends. You're much less likely to be attacked if you're in a group.
I try not to look like a target. I'm not a big guy at 6' 180lbs, so my physical presence isn't worth much. I mostly wear all black (because I like it) and cover my face and head when travelling alone. It's much easier to keep an eye on things when people can't really see your eyes. I like to believe that the less you see of a person, the more intimidating they might look. I wear earphones for that "Don't talk to me" message, but I keep the volume down so I can still hear what's happening around me. I wear steel-toe boots. They are one of the best concealed hand-to-hand weapons out there. One firm kick, you might crack a shin or a few ribs if you're lucky.
The "reach for your gun" thing is very good advice. I've been doing that in situations that just weren't kosher to me for a few months, and it's always worked out pretty well. When a friend gets approached and starts talking to the approacher (and there's something about that situation I don't like), I like to go at a distance of 3-4 feet, "reach for my gun" and keep a watchful eye on the stranger. It's good. Makes people nervous.
I'm usually a polite person, but "Whatever it is, your answer is NO" is very sound advice. I've had some strange encounters with people that would come a tad too close to me. Usually I just take a small step away, that's the point where most people notice that they were inside my personal space and stay where they are. If the person doesn't stay and follows me, I address them directly, for instance "You in the grey jacket. Stay away." Imagine that, coming in a calm voice from a hood you can't really see under... I guess I would keep my distance. Anyone who gets too close to you might be acting on his own, or be a decoy for pickpockets or any sort of bad people.
A few years ago, I was walking through a crowded mall with a friend (who I've learned quite a bit from in this area we're talking about here). Someone bumped into me and smeared some ice cream on my shirt, started apologizing like crazy and wiping on the stain with some paper napkins. My friend reacted by pushing his arm between me and the person, reaching around me and pulling me to the side, while simultaneously giving a hard shove to a 16 year old turkish kid behind me. The kid fell down, and while he was falling, my wallet slipped from his fingers. You're lucky if they only take your stuff. If something like that happens to you without 100s of people around, don't stop walking. Not even for a second. Just keep walking, you can wash the ice cream out of your shirt, replacing a stolen wallet or getting stitched up at the hospital will cost you a lot more.
I carry kevlar gloves. They are cut resistant to a certain degree, and there's nothing like the face of the guy who you just disarmed by grabbing his knife by the blade and wrenching it out of is hand.
If all else fails, do what my Krav Maga instructor always tells me: "Make it so that the other guy runs slower than you. And then run." If you manage to disarm someone, run away with the weapon and discard it. If you have to hit, hit hard and fast with whatever you got. Make it hurt. Make it impossible for them to run. Someone with a cracked shin or patella, a dislocated knee or ankle, or a severed quadriceps is not physically able to run. He might hobble, but if you're running, you'll be out of his reach in seconds.
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Couple times my dogs have saved me from having to ventilate a BG. They helped me to get home without incident, rather than having to fill out lengthy police reports.
First time was when I was walking my GF's beagle (now wife's beagle) on a nice summer evening. If people know beagles, they know that they are about the furthest from being "fierce" as you can get. -Which is why I keep a M1911 on the hip for SD encounters. We were walking, it's dark and there are several sidewalk trails separated by shrubs and trees when some guy shouts out to me from about 30 yards away "hey, do you know the time?" I shout back "it's 8:30" (whatever time it was), but this guy keeps walking towards me saying "what?" "Do you know what time it is?" and keeps getting closer & closer to me even though I've shouted several times the time to him. What he doesn't know is that I've already drawn my pistol and have it ready behind my leg, I was going to drop him if he got to 7-10 yards of me. But before I needed to shoot, the beagle senses something wrong and starts barking. -I guess this whole time, the guy couldn't see the dog behind the shrubs, but at the instant the dog started-up, this guy disappears. I didn't even see which direction he ran off in it happened so quickly. To this day, I'm certain that this guy thought he was going to rob me, but he didn't realize that a beagle actually saved his life.
Second story about my Border Collie. -She's gone now, I really miss her!
I was outside a Kentucky Fried Chicken one night. Went out for some chicken, decided to bring my Border Collie with me in the truck. Had my M1911 on the hip this night as well.
The idjuts at KFC took my order & money before telling me that it'll take about 10 minutes for the chicken to be ready... so now I have to wait.... grr! I go back outside to check on the dog, and I immediately notice a suspicious teenage punk wandering the parking lot, looking obviously suspicious by trying to look casual. Sure, all people wander parking lots by walking from car to car and looking inside. So he sees me from across the way and starts to amble towards me without once looking in my direction... So as he ambles towards me, I amble to the passenger door, and when he is about 20 feet away, I open the door to show my Border Collie sitting in the passenger seat. She looks right at him and just bares her teeth, no growl, just a silent flash of teeth. This little punk backs away from us, down the street and walks out of the KFC parking lot. My dog got to eat all the biscuits that night!
These are two incidents where I know that these idiots would have tried to rob me if it hadn't been for me having my canine companions around. Probably thought that a dog kept them from scoring some quick cash, little did understand that my dogs probably saved their lives. They had no clue how close I was to drawing and shooting both of them.
First time was when I was walking my GF's beagle (now wife's beagle) on a nice summer evening. If people know beagles, they know that they are about the furthest from being "fierce" as you can get. -Which is why I keep a M1911 on the hip for SD encounters. We were walking, it's dark and there are several sidewalk trails separated by shrubs and trees when some guy shouts out to me from about 30 yards away "hey, do you know the time?" I shout back "it's 8:30" (whatever time it was), but this guy keeps walking towards me saying "what?" "Do you know what time it is?" and keeps getting closer & closer to me even though I've shouted several times the time to him. What he doesn't know is that I've already drawn my pistol and have it ready behind my leg, I was going to drop him if he got to 7-10 yards of me. But before I needed to shoot, the beagle senses something wrong and starts barking. -I guess this whole time, the guy couldn't see the dog behind the shrubs, but at the instant the dog started-up, this guy disappears. I didn't even see which direction he ran off in it happened so quickly. To this day, I'm certain that this guy thought he was going to rob me, but he didn't realize that a beagle actually saved his life.
Second story about my Border Collie. -She's gone now, I really miss her!
I was outside a Kentucky Fried Chicken one night. Went out for some chicken, decided to bring my Border Collie with me in the truck. Had my M1911 on the hip this night as well.
The idjuts at KFC took my order & money before telling me that it'll take about 10 minutes for the chicken to be ready... so now I have to wait.... grr! I go back outside to check on the dog, and I immediately notice a suspicious teenage punk wandering the parking lot, looking obviously suspicious by trying to look casual. Sure, all people wander parking lots by walking from car to car and looking inside. So he sees me from across the way and starts to amble towards me without once looking in my direction... So as he ambles towards me, I amble to the passenger door, and when he is about 20 feet away, I open the door to show my Border Collie sitting in the passenger seat. She looks right at him and just bares her teeth, no growl, just a silent flash of teeth. This little punk backs away from us, down the street and walks out of the KFC parking lot. My dog got to eat all the biscuits that night!
These are two incidents where I know that these idiots would have tried to rob me if it hadn't been for me having my canine companions around. Probably thought that a dog kept them from scoring some quick cash, little did understand that my dogs probably saved their lives. They had no clue how close I was to drawing and shooting both of them.
CWL, Great story about your Beagle. When they do get to howling and barking they can sure sound like a tough dog lol. And at night time it is even worse.
Even this one lol. Kelly Girl as waiting by the oven for the 2 turkies to get done over Thanksgiving lol.
O annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Mistwalker bring on the stories Please lol. I love reading what you and the others have had to say on
this subject.
Bryan
Even this one lol. Kelly Girl as waiting by the oven for the 2 turkies to get done over Thanksgiving lol.
O annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Mistwalker bring on the stories Please lol. I love reading what you and the others have had to say on
this subject.
Bryan
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More and more of the homeless travelers, or mostly travelers, here in this area have taken to keeping larger dogs. I see them them nearly daily going along their routes with their dogs on leashes and their worldly possessions on their backs. Some have some interesting stories to share.
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CWL, Great story about your Beagle. When they do get to howling and barking they can sure sound like a tough dog lol. And at night time it is even worse.
Even this one lol. Kelly Girl as waiting by the oven for the 2 turkies to get done over Thanksgiving lol.
2 Turkeys? Our beagle would have gone nuts!
Here's a pic of the beagle along with our Aussie Shepherd and new Lab/Border Collie mix puppy. The beagle is 13 now, but he's been on a diet and is in great shape for the age.
Here's a picture of him from around when these events happened. He's doing a "press check" on my pistola (yep, it's loaded!)
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Yes, I'm very much interested in your stories and your observations, please share. I apologize for taking so long to reply. I've been dealing with a light injury, work, and family, so I understand.
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I'm glad to see this post getting attention. 
I'd hoped it would spark an interest! I think that, all in all, the Urban Jungle is the most dangerous place of all. I'm not afraid of a coyote or a black bear, I'm more afraid of a desperate crackhead.
I'd hoped it would spark an interest! I think that, all in all, the Urban Jungle is the most dangerous place of all. I'm not afraid of a coyote or a black bear, I'm more afraid of a desperate crackhead.- Joined
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I really enjoy this thread. Let me give you some background info about my situation here.
I live in Berlin, the capital city of Germany. I live in the inner city, not a bad neighbourhood per se, but there are mostly arabic/turkish people here, and cultural differences often lead to conflict. I don't own a car, I get where I need to get by bike/skateboard/public transportation. I can't legally carry a gun. I do carry a knife most of the time. I don't see knives as defensive weapons, but they do have some impact as a visual deterrent. I also always carry a strong flashlight, and sometimes some pepper gel.
Maethor,
I'm glad to hear you've gotten through those hairy situations well and safe. All in all, the best advice that I can think of is this:Know the areas you travel within very well, get to know people there, especially the police and shopkeepers. Know the normal sights, sounds, and faces. If something seems out of sorts, or you just get a bad feeling--split. Also, you being six foot, one-eighty, that's not a bad weight class. You'll likely have more than the average reach by both hand and foot, and if you practice a martial-art, that
can make a difference with that. Adding in, if you have the time for it, a basic regime of weight-lifting and cardio can also go a long way. I'm often pressed for time, but I still manage to get in a good workout in about thirty minutes. My workout is detailed below.
Military-Pressing (75% max weight, 12 reps by 2 sets)
Chest-Pressing (75% max weight, 12 reps by 2 sets)
Squats (75% max weight, 12 reps by 2 sets)
Upright/Bentover Rowing (75% max weight, 12 reps by 2 sets)
Pushups (Or Pressups) 75 in a set, 2 sets
Situps 75 in a set, 2 sets
That takes me around thirty-to-forty five minutes, and then I allow myself to cool down by studying my most well-trained and used survival skills. After that a thirty minute self-defense routine. (I've trained for over seventeen years now.) Krav Maga, from what I can remember, requires a partner to be the most effective in practice, but from what I have seen it's quite effective.
You made quite a few good points there. I tend to be broad-shouldered and cold looking (Can't help it lol). But it does seem to make people think twice. My wife and I often take our dogs walking, and even if it is COOOOOLD out I don't wear anything bulky. Unless I have to, I don't wear a jacket. Predators will often look for slow or weak prey (yes, just like predatory animals), especially those that are ill. A target whom is muscular and looks as if it would give them a hell of a resistance, are often avoided. Also, though, those whose face is difficult to see, will often draw the attention of law and authority. Watching one's surroundings is often one's best defense.
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CWL,
There's nothing like a good dog! They really are a man's best-friend! Glad to hear you got through those situations safely.
There's nothing like a good dog!
They really are a man's best-friend! Glad to hear you got through those situations safely.Thank you. I haven't really had to defend myself yet, I seem to always get lucky. Some guy tried to rob me when I was 14. He was waving a balisong in my face, flicking it open and closed. I just said the first thing that came to my mind: "Be careful you don't cut yourself". He cut himself, I kicked into the side of his knee, and when he went down my steel toe connected with his jaw with a very audible and very setisfying "chrunch".
I think there are some situations that can be defused with humour and wits, by simply showing the enemy that you outsmart them. Some, not all. In some situations it would be be downright dangerous to do that.
Getting to know people, studying them, trying to learn and anticipate how they react to different things you do and say is very valuable.
Lastly, I'm always angry. I hate society and the way it bends people. I wouldn't mind 90% of the people I see on my every day commutes wiped out in some freak TEOTWAWKI scenario. I'm a borderline sociopath just waiting for a situation that allows me to justify seriously injuring or killing one of these worthless creatures, and I pity the fool who brings me to that point.
- that last part maybe was a bit overexaggerated, but you get the point.
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Well, see, you disarmed him with your wit, he slipped up and hurt himself, you kicked him in the shin..you escaped--you defended yourself. Well done. :-D Ya, I know how people can be, but then everyone has their own perspectives, opinions, and ideals--although, some which I have come across in my time simply needed a sound reality check. I know what people see when they look at me:I'm fairly big, broad of shoulder/chest, large arms, reasonably fit..my face also tends to be as cold as ice, and I tend to be quiet...so people often automatically assume I'm either stuck-up or a brute. Funny thing is, I'm the type who'd give a homeless girl the jacket off my back without a thought for myself. There are good people out there, Maethor, but these days people are so rushed, and hurried that they lose sight and fact that there are other people in the world also. The way I see it, if people leave me alone, I'm more than happy to leave them alone.
Well done. :-D Ya, I know how people can be, but then everyone has their own perspectives, opinions, and ideals--although, some which I have come across in my time simply needed a sound reality check. I know what people see when they look at me:I'm fairly big, broad of shoulder/chest, large arms, reasonably fit..my face also tends to be as cold as ice, and I tend to be quiet...so people often automatically assume I'm either stuck-up or a brute. Funny thing is, I'm the type who'd give a homeless girl the jacket off my back without a thought for myself. There are good people out there, Maethor, but these days people are so rushed, and hurried that they lose sight and fact that there are other people in the world also. The way I see it, if people leave me alone, I'm more than happy to leave them alone.- Joined
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Lol..I like that dog waiting for the turkeys. That's so cute. She's looking as if to say, "Dibbs on the turkey on the left!! Mine! Mine! GO away! My turkey!!"
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Sicily02,
There is no real way to prepare for or to truly deal with being homeless, all that one can do is tolerate and try to get out of it. Circumstances can lead to this in a variety of ways, but there are ways to make it easier, less painful. Some turn to alchohol or drugs, and that in all senses, makes it worse. People, if they know,
will look at you in an entirely different light. This new perspective of you may be one of suspicion, distrust, pity, it can run the gamut, but one thing is certain that will make people act and treat you differently. I have a few rules to help..
1.Watch your appearance closely. Stay clean-shaven, clean-smelling, and as well-dressed as one can manage. Try to wear clothes as clean, and neat as possible. Try to avoid "music" group shirts, offensive shirts, skulls, etc. To look as if you belong,to look as if you are not in a bad situation, is to remain unnoticed.
2.Watch your behaviour. Drawing attention can be a bad thing. Try to blend in. Homeless folks are often seen as 'desperate', when all in all, they are just trying to get by like anyone else.
3.Don't let anyone see or know you have anything of value. There are predators whom target the homeless, and will take whatever few things they have to call their own. They will often watch you to see where you go, where you sleep, and ultimately where you may stash your things.
4.Learn to find places which have the best sales, that often have samples, that have dirt-cheap staples such as Ramen Noodles, sardines, and the like. For about a dollar you can get a pack of Ramen (about six packs of noodles w' spices). I can remember eating those..not too bad with some mayo and sardines mixed in. Also, if you can eat once in awhile at fast food restaraunts, grab a handful of mayonaise and ketchup packets--calories are calories, plus ketchup has sugar.
5.The cold, for the homeless, is more lethal than any predator. There are few ways, with the exceptions of shelters, heating vents, and the like that one can escape it. If you happen to have a car in this situation, you are rich indeed. The windows can be covered and you can bundle up. Dress in layers, keeping maybe a layer of fleece against your skin, and a shell on the outside to keep away moisture--especially the cold rain, which is a quick killer.
I will post more soon..I hope that helps.. I will post all I can. I hope others will chime in.
There is no real way to prepare for or to truly deal with being homeless, all that one can do is tolerate and try to get out of it. Circumstances can lead to this in a variety of ways, but there are ways to make it easier, less painful. Some turn to alchohol or drugs, and that in all senses, makes it worse. People, if they know,
will look at you in an entirely different light. This new perspective of you may be one of suspicion, distrust, pity, it can run the gamut, but one thing is certain that will make people act and treat you differently. I have a few rules to help..
1.Watch your appearance closely. Stay clean-shaven, clean-smelling, and as well-dressed as one can manage. Try to wear clothes as clean, and neat as possible. Try to avoid "music" group shirts, offensive shirts, skulls, etc. To look as if you belong,to look as if you are not in a bad situation, is to remain unnoticed.
2.Watch your behaviour. Drawing attention can be a bad thing. Try to blend in. Homeless folks are often seen as 'desperate', when all in all, they are just trying to get by like anyone else.
3.Don't let anyone see or know you have anything of value. There are predators whom target the homeless, and will take whatever few things they have to call their own. They will often watch you to see where you go, where you sleep, and ultimately where you may stash your things.
4.Learn to find places which have the best sales, that often have samples, that have dirt-cheap staples such as Ramen Noodles, sardines, and the like. For about a dollar you can get a pack of Ramen (about six packs of noodles w' spices). I can remember eating those..not too bad with some mayo and sardines mixed in. Also, if you can eat once in awhile at fast food restaraunts, grab a handful of mayonaise and ketchup packets--calories are calories, plus ketchup has sugar.
5.The cold, for the homeless, is more lethal than any predator. There are few ways, with the exceptions of shelters, heating vents, and the like that one can escape it. If you happen to have a car in this situation, you are rich indeed. The windows can be covered and you can bundle up. Dress in layers, keeping maybe a layer of fleece against your skin, and a shell on the outside to keep away moisture--especially the cold rain, which is a quick killer.
I will post more soon..I hope that helps.. I will post all I can. I hope others will chime in.
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Try driving night shift taxi in a van. I did this to get through school. I was attacked a couple of times with no injury as I was prepared. The scammers and drunks weren't so bad because they had at least a modicum of rationality, usually very low though. It was the drunk\drugged mentally ill individuals, off their meds, that scared me. I'm a big guy and did things like slam on the brakes, yank the door open and assist them into a snow bank. But that was dicey with any more than two. It was a constant judgment call. Other times just keeping my yap shut defused a belligerent long enough to get hin\them out. But the few that I felt were high end dangerously nuts and hammered I just agreed with whatever gibbering B.S. came out of their mouths. As long as they didn't feel challenged, a base garbage situation usually never devolved. I did have a collapsible steel baton and or a chunk of oak with an iron pipe fitting screwed\glued and taped to the end. I never had to hit anyone and I'm glad about that. But I had to pull my whacking tools a few times to back a few animals off. I'm glad that those days are over. The guy that I shift traded the van with was attacked and badly injured from a kid with a machete down his pants. It was in the news and he was interviewed with his face disguised. He was chopped badly but got the weapon off the kid.
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I'm back finally. I've been running from sale to sale with my wife, and trying my best to spend time with my daughter before she's back off to school. Rough rough lol. After we took her to a movie she wanted to see, my wife and I were standing in the lobby and I got a bad feeling. I turned to her and said, "If I tell you to run, do it--don't ask questions." It turned out to be some dumb teenagers scuffling. Never the less, though, a situation such as that can escalate quickly. As a child I witnessed a brawl such as that at the local theater, and it ended up with one guy going for a bat and the other a handgun. Trust your instincts, if a situation or area feels "hairy" then leave. I hope you all had a happy and safe holidays!!
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I think a reoccurring theme here is "Listen to your "Spidey-sense"; if its tingling, its time to act."
Great stuff folks, thank you all for sharing!
Great stuff folks, thank you all for sharing!