How about my starter propane/firebrick forge scheme...

They are fine.

I'm merging this with your existing thread. Please don't start a new thread for every question on this build. New threads are for new topics..
 
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Mr Bladesmith, please excuse me. Message received.

Well per your recommendation, I got a box of 20 K-20 firebricks for $63 from a local place. :)

I realize I need some sort of high temp thermometer. Googling just reveals cooking thermometers or laser thermometers that don't exceed 1000 degrees. Anyone know wehre to get them?
 
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You are putting the cart before the horse. You are making a forge, but have done no background work on how to set it up. Look at the stickies on PID controlled forges. You don't need to make the forge PID controlled now, but it will eventually be a real asset. In the mean time, the same setup will read temperature. If you want to purchase a per-made high temp pyrometer, Auberins or Omega are good places to look. They are linked in the sticky, IIRC.

While perusing the stickies, read up on forges and burners.
 
I have read a little on forges and burners. I will eventiallty get a venturi burner. In the mean time i was just going to put a thermometer in it and babyset it, just for hardening and maybe normalizing. Not sure what a PID is, ill look into it before i go buying a forge thermometer.
 
Okay, i read up a little on the whole PID thing. It can be used to accurately controll temp in an electric or vas oven or forge. Also, it can be used to simply display the temperature of a thermocouple.

I do have multi-meters. Could i just get the thermocouple and protector you linked at auberns and plug it into a multi meter in the mean time?

Yes, eventually it would be pretty sweet to make a computer controlled gas forge/oven. I understand that it works by just turning the propane between high and low with a solenoid.
 
Just plugging it into a multi-meter will not tell you the temperature. The multi-meter will display the mv output of the TC. This will be only as accurate as the meter. Unless it is a calibrated lab type millivoltmeter, it will not work well. And then you would also need the output chart for the TC. It would give the mv/deg and some readings of the calibrating tests. You would have to do the math to know what the temperature was.

You will have to have an A to D converter and some sort of pre-programed reading device to display the temperature in degrees. That is what a PID does. A cheap one costs about $25.

"Reading up a little" is not going to get you ready to build a forge to do HT in. You need to understand both the operation principle and the construction of it. To know the actual temperature, you will need an accurate pyrometer. This can be bought or built. Understanding how they work and why the reading can be off is also necessary if you want good results. The way to get this knowledge is to read....not just a little or a few paragraphs....but a lot. There is a ton of good info in the stickies and on past threads covering these subjects. It may take a week or more to read ( and re-read) all that info, but when done and understood, most of your future questions will be answered by your own personal knowledge.
Reading and studying the principles of HT and how to do it for different steel types will also help you design and build your forge. Knowing what you want it to do is as important as knowing how to do it.

I know everyone today wants it all by tomorrow, but your forge build will be far better if you take a few weeks to learn the basics first. Personally, I would rather have a good forge in December, than a poor forge next week.
 
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Stacy is right on with his comments. I took a couple of weeks to piece together my first forge, it works great but is there things I will change on my next one hell yeah. I picked up one of these http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=3 and the kiln thermocouple they have (the 10" one) basically just so I have a idea of what temperatures are. I do not have a solenoid valve setup or anything like that right now, just using it for temperature reading. My little forge works great for well forging and HT simple carbon steels.
 
Well, ill just get the PID, thermocouple and that protector and later i will make something more sophistocated. Ill just stack the bricks for now so i can change them later.
 
Well just remember that you can build the forge body nice now and get the proper burner and all that stuff. If you wire everything up correctly now and do a good job on everything all you will have to do down the road is get your control valve, install that and hook it up and your in business.
 
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