how big for a heavy knife??

The big knives I use are Buck 119 and M95 Sissipuuko.Both have 6 '' blades and both are pretty lightweight - only 200 grams each.They ride comfortably on my belt.I find the 6 '' blade very useful - it can chop if needed,is long enough for some serious batonning and with a proper grnd is pretty good for finer tasks. :)
 
Man, you guys are packing some big honkin knives. I never really thought that much about the size you are talking about for choppers, they are much larger than mine. My largest is the Dozier wilderness knife. It has a 5" blade!!! Overall is 9 7/8" and I consider that pretty large. I feel confidant that I can do anything I need with that knife.
9" blade, good gravy that is as long as my wilderness knife!
 
My largest is the Dozier wilderness knife. It has a 5" blade!!! Overall is 9 7/8" and I consider that pretty large.

:D Just a matter of perspective. I grew up using fodder knives/machetes all the time on the farm and have come to appreciate what can be done with a longer blade. I don't go on miles long ultra light hikes, so think nothing of toting an 18" blade.
 
While i really like variety, a 5-6 inch blade is the biggest thing that I would really ever need. 4 inch will do most everything but for food prep I like a 5-6 inch blade. Most of my Camping/Hunting/Fishing outings are by truck or boat so I always have a hatchet/ax type tool and always a saw.
 
Big/Large and Small/Tiny are a matter of perspective.

Some people look at William Henry knives and think, "Oh, that is just perfect" Me, I wonder if my meathooks are adept enough to work them(the answer is, sometimes, barely). So, if you remember that big and small are very subjective terms, that helps.

Myself, I take a long view. Swords are long, and some of them go to 4 feet, so that defines long and big. A craft knife slash exacto has a half inch blade, so that defines small. Along that continuum, a 5 inch knife is small. But, if you have never really worked with anything larger than a pen knife, and you are bombarded with messages that demonize larger knives and are around a bunch of guys who brag about how much they can do with their wee knife, then 5 inches may seem like a sWord.

From my perspective, I have yet to find a 7 inch knife that 'chopped', I know what an axe is and how it performs, I know how they throw chips, so for me, that is capital C, Chopping. And by that definition, I find it really hard to believe that any 7 inch knife 'chops'.

Now, with the proper application of a baton, you can make a 7 inch knife perform in a way that makes 'chopping' un-necessary, which is really all a person 'needs', but that does not mean that a 7 inch knife is all I will carry.

I understand the niche for a 7 inch knife, it is the 'compromise' niche. Large enough to do some things, small enough that it is not cumbersome. It falls into the 'one' knife compromise arena. And there are plenty of groups and people who have chosen this size.

But, when you do a survey of the world, you will find that many peoples and groups also use other, longer and/or thicker tools, machetes, larger leukus, golocks, parangs, klewangs, khukuris, etc.

And, the issues is not just length but mass (weight). Machetes do not mass much for their length, but in environments where there is a greater amount of hardwood, the 'long knife-like tool' gets thicker, for ease of use with the hardwoods.

When looking at batoning, I like having more inches, to make the batoning easier, and to have the option of batoning larger wood, if I so choose. It seems to me that there can be no argument, trying to hit 4 inches sticking out the end of the log is easier than hitting 1 inch.

Part of this whole thing of perspective is physical size, I am quite large, my hands are large, I have arms like a model's legs, I have legs like oak. So for me, I can throw around a pretty big knife without much thought. Others, have a different physical experience, and so their perspective grows out of that.

Mentally, there are different arguments. Are you trying to figure out how small you can get something, how much you can conserve and still have an adequate tool? Or you the kind of person who fills the bowl, and then says "Heck, let's throw in a little more"? Do you secretly want to process an elk with a mashed over .30-06 shell, or do you pity the guy that had to do that? My buddy and I have nicknames for each other, he is 'The Extreme' and I am 'Overkill', different strokes for different folks. He wants to find the smallest container that he can fit his kit into, and he spends hours re-arranging the contents for a tighter fit. Me, I grow weary of that exercise within microseconds..... Give me a big ziploc bag anytime, no need for organization, and I am always finding something new, like Christmas every time I open it.

I like knives in the 7 inch range, but I prefer them wide and thinner, more slicers that can baton if necessary.

I also never choose just one knife, a perfect set for me would be 3 knives, a american bushcraft for small work with an acute point at 3 or 4 inches, a mediterranean dirk at 7 inches with a wide blade for slicing and general work, and a 'big 'un', in the 9 to 11 inch blade range.

I have a design that I have been working on for about a year, the large version has an 11 inch blade, 1 inch of choil, and a 6 finger handle, for about 18 inches overall. I am also considering an 8 inch bladed version, for conservation of resources if nothing else. But, it is not 1/4 inch thick, it is thinner, but it is pretty wide, especially towards the tip, like a golock or parang.

I guess I am an equal opportunity lover of cutlery. If I can find a use for it, then I like it, I love the refinements and innovations that are happening in the smaller knives due to the 'bushcraft' movement, absolutely love it. In fact, the narrow tipped 4 inch knife has reached it's highest form in some of the American style buschcraft knives, simply stunning.

But, big v small is really so much about what works for you. And I think practically, the only way a person will know for certain, is watching and learning how someone else uses their knife, and then trying it.

Length is good for batonning.

Length is also important for chopping: increases chopping speed

Axe is the optimized chopper: most weight centered in the head and long handle for speed.

Now if you look at any bowie knife, weight is evenly distributed along the blade. From my experience, hitting near the tip of the blade is counter-productive: you get a lot of vibration and it doesn't work that well, you have to chop with about the middle of the blade, near balance center. That means to get a certain "lever arm" you need twice the length in blade, which leads to long choppers.

This is a good point, leverage. And that is why I like parangs, parangs, and khukuris that have their mass distributed more towards the tip.

I also think that one knife carry by design is... well, silly, to be blunt. Define your need for a large chopper, axe, saw and include as you see fit, but a mid range knife with a convex edge- a broad bladed 6 incher- and a small scandi grind in the 2.5 to 3.75 inch range are a really ideal pairing.

Well said.

Just a note to the OP, I read Bill Bagwell's Bowies, Big Knives and the Best of Battle Blades boo. His stance is that 9" is the magical length where leverage becomes a major factor in blades, thus increasing the chopping ability...

A good observation.

Bill Siegle Cutlass and Fire Building in the Winter....
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Bill Siegle Cutlass, Ontarion RTAK II, and Martindale Golock
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Ontarion RTAK II, Browning Crowell Barker Competition Knife, and Bill Siegle Cutlass w/o handle scales
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When the knife gets longer, the technique for fine tasks has to change. I put the handle under my armpit (off hand), with the blade facing up. Hold the spine of the blade in hand (off hand) and use my dominate hand to work the piece I am carving. This keeps the large knife stationary and allows me to make netting neetles, spoons or anything requiring more finese and precision. A fine bowie tip comes in real handy for this technique. When the knife gets under about 8 inches I am no longer able to comfortably carve this way and have to resort to using techniques only applicable to sub 6 inch knives, which make it quite awkward. So for me, I tend to find that knives less than 8 inches but more than 6 inches are neither good in any one particular area. To eliminate the need for any of this I just carry more than one tool.
 
I use a large thin(kitchen knife thin) fillet or butcher style knife, otherwise the old small knife/ax combo is my preference. I flow more like water as I age. The path of least resistance while accomplishing my goal is my ideal modus operandi.
 
I use a large thin(kitchen knife thin) fillet or butcher style knife, otherwise the old small knife/ax combo is my preference. I flow more like water as I age. The path of least resistance while accomplishing my goal is my ideal modus operandi.

An axe and knife combo is unbeatable IMHO
 
I love my big Hibben's knives from the '70s. Randalls have neat big blades but over priced now. An old airborne buddy said to me once, a pocket knife and a machete is all you need. I use a khukuri and a SAK.
 
Hey RescueRiley - I think it is 'is the glass half empty or half full' kind of thing. Myself, I value mid-sized blades in the 6" to 7" category. I think that they really are the kind of knives that can do it all including the detailed work while still getting away with the heavy stuff. There is very little that you can't do with a 6" blade that a 9" blade can do, other than the big one will chop quicker. Similarly, the 4" blades and less are better cutters and have finer control with their tips but you can still manage pretty good with a 6" blade. Personally, I see the compromise as a good one. You've eliminated weight, made belt carry much easier and comfortable and retained full functionality.

Other folks like to view it as the glass half empty. They aren't the best at small things and they aren't the best at big things. If you have the luxury of bringing a chopper plus small knife then I agree that the combo is going to give you better tools for all kinds of tasks. However, sometimes I don't have the luxury of multiple tools. Sometimes I just want one really good, kickass tool. Thats where the mid-size blade comes in.

Then again, I have forgone all self-illusions that I buy knives just to find the perfect combo and when I do find it I will quit my little habit. No sir, I am very likely to continue this odyssey of a buying through my life and as such, I don't sweat having different options of blade combo's or all rounders at my disposal :D


Well said sir..I now prefer to carry one 6in fixed blade knife. That seems to do the job. I to will continue to purchase knife after knife:)
 
If I am watching the weight (backpacking), I use a pocket saw. The weight is 95gm (3oz.).View attachment 389236
Yes, this is a good idea. Some have said "I don't have the luxury of packing more than one tool". I don't understand that statement but watching people chop away at seasoned hardwood with medium fixed blades is quite comical. A small saw like you have photographed and a small knife will get you further and with less calorie expenditure. I think many people are caught up in how things look. But, that's pretty typical for Americans.:D
 
I like going the frontiersman route, a big light knife!
 
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Consider a Hawk with a spike? Great for chopping, The spike works great to hook objects slightly out of normal reach(picking fruit or removing low dead branches). You can root around in rotten logs for fishing bait. Digging. It could be used as a climbing spike to assist you in steep spots to climb such as out of a creek bed. Also great for urban breaching/search and rescue.
I carry it along with a small knife.
 
I use a Sycko 711. Anything bigger and I wouldn't carry it on my hip. Also in terms of size..................

It is perfect for batoning, because really, when do you need to baton anything more than 4-5 inches?

It does chop very well, and being that I always have it on my hip, I can de-limb and gather kindling faster.

My hand does not fatigue as fast when making shavings.


I have carried around an Ontario Blackbird(4inch) in the past and I found it to not have the same capabilities, though it did do a lot, it just couldn't chop or baton very well. I have also carried an Ontario SP50(8.5ish inches), which I do love. The SP50 really is an amazing knife, but it was too bulky, I just found myself never using it. 6-7 inches really is ideal for what I want in a knife.
 
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