How do i get a razor sharp edge?

PayetteRucker said:
it's not inaccurate at all, seeing as how my knives are still sharp... you get your sharpening methods from a PDF document on the internet...
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Try almost 20 years of sharpening by hand, your repeated comments on how diamonds remove too much metal is a myth.

Your knives are still sharp? I can get a knife sharp on a 220 stone but does that make them sharp?

If you sharpen in a stropping motion on a stone you actually end up with a larger burr, but I guess I got that from a PDF file.
 
"2 The edge roughness and bur size produced with both a fine ceramic stone and a 1200
grit diamond hone were significantly larger than found with the waterstones."
there you go. I was correct in saying that a daimond stone removes more material than an arkansas stone. So far this document seems to be proving my methods correct...
 
oops double post. I never said daimonds remove too much, I said they remove alot. Which is true. For a beginner daimond stones may be too abrasive and just wreck the edge, whereas using an arkansas stone would be more forgiving. The purpose of a circular motion with a down and back angle is to pull shavings away from the edge and tip and deburr in the process. Show me how that method is wrong...
 
Did you notice that the diamond stone used was 1200 mesh (9 micron) and the waterstone used was 6000 grit (3-4 microns). I finish on a 8000 mesh (3 micron) diamond hone so the results will be much different.

Did you read on to see what he said about the ceramic stones?

Like I said before have you ever tried to sharpen any high wear resistant steel on a arkansas stone? They don't work well and I have pictures to prove it.
 
here we go again on the general threads... sigh. I'm not at liberty to give my experiences with cutlery and maintaining it, but I learned from impeccable sources and am not going to change my ways after years of experience maintaining my own edges.
 
PayetteRucker said:
here we go again on the general threads... sigh. I'm not at liberty to give my experiences with cutlery and maintaining it, but I learned from impeccable sources and am not going to change my ways after years of experience maintaining my own edges.
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Sometimes what you learn over the years is not always right and bad habits can be hard to change. Sharpening in the way you do does not pull shavings away from the edge it puts more of them their. I'm not saying that everything in that artical is correct but it does inform you of things that you would otherwise not understand.

Diamonds have come a long way from what they once were just like most other things.
 
knifenut1013 said:
Did you notice that the diamond stone used was 1200 mesh (9 micron) and the waterstone used was 6000 grit (3-4 microns). I finish on a 8000 mesh (3 micron) diamond hone so the results will be much different.

Did you read on to see what he said about the ceramic stones?

Like I said before have you ever tried to sharpen any high wear resistant steel on a arkansas stone? They don't work well and I have pictures to prove it.
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I don't use anything harder than 58 rockwell 1095 anyway ;)
 
I have sharpened with stones and gadgetry to bevel evenly. I have taken quantum leaps by buying the paper wheels and within 1/2 hr. of practicing, I was sharp enough to remove a patch of hair from my arm. 2 steps, grit wheel raise a burr both sides, and the "strop" it off with the slotted wheel. As my hand trained and I got better, my knife edges will catch a hair dangled in mid air and slice up the hair (whittling) it. This is my highest achievement in sharpness so far, and has quenched my thirst of trying to get sharper than that. It really is that quick, and is a solution for right around $100.00 I would award it the "most direct path a novice knife sharpener can take to get professional sharpness," award. I envy those who can free hand and achieve that sharpness or greater. I am sure knifeknut does amazing work and I will take his opinion to the bank everytime. I resisted the paper wheels out of my own ego wanting to become one with my stones. I am glad I got over that. I am a razor sharp paper wheel fan boy. I get my knives razor sharp in conflict of what others say. I can dry shave my cheek with my knives and I have neanderthal like facial hair. There is no irritation. My advice is to sell all of your other gadgetry and buy a grinder motor and a set of paper wheels. There is nothing complex about the paper wheel set up.
 
knifenut1013 said:
Sometimes what you learn over the years is not always right and bad habits can be hard to change. Sharpening in the way you do does not pull shavings away from the edge it puts more of them their. I'm not saying that everything in that artical is correct but it does inform you of things that you would otherwise not understand.

Diamonds have come a long way from what they once were just like most other things.
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I didn't learn over the years, I was instructed-and after that point began maintaining edged tools, both knives and axes, in the way I was taught. It may not be "right" or the best way, but I can sit down for 15 minutes with an 800 grit arkansas stone and have a shaving sharp flat grind on any of my 1095 rough use knives.
 
PayetteRucker said:
here we go again on the general threads... sigh. I'm not at liberty to give my experiences with cutlery and maintaining it, but I learned from impeccable sources and am not going to change my ways after years of experience maintaining my own edges.
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Inquiring minds want to know why.
 
SPXTrader said:
Inquiring minds want to know why.
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I don't....I've read enough of his posts already to know I wouldn't care.

I used various sharpening methods over the years. Freehand..which I still enjoy on diamond bench stones or water stones and some ceramic. I keep a couple of sharp makers around for touch ups. I had an Edge Pro and gave it away after deciding it wasn't for me.

I recently starting using the paper wheels and I'd not trade them for anything else. Fast with fantastic results. Best $100 I ever spent.
 
GET OUT OF THE STONE AGE GUYS!!!! the paper wheels are the way to go. they wont chip the blade like cotdt said. they work smoother than a belt sander and the paper buffing wheel will make a smooth sharp edge.
 
morrowj_98 said:
I don't....I've read enough of his posts already to know I wouldn't care.

I used various sharpening methods over the years. Freehand..which I still enjoy on diamond bench stones or water stones and some ceramic. I keep a couple of sharp makers around for touch ups. I had an Edge Pro and gave it away after deciding it wasn't for me.

I recently starting using the paper wheels and I'd not trade them for anything else. Fast with fantastic results. Best $100 I ever spent.
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why? because I rip on the guys who have way too much money in knives and never use em? I just think it's ridiculous how a select few people in this general forums section think it's either their way, the highway, or you just suck. People have differing opinions and the world doesn't revolve around 700 dollar folders made from exotic steels.
 
i used to do a lot of fundraisers and there would be clueless guys who have never seen or heard of the wheels yet they are an expert in them. they would say "thoes wheels will ruin a knife" or "thats a grinding wheel and it will remove too much metal". they usually shut up and change their tune when they actually watch whats going on. i had a guy hold his finger above the edge on a blade i use for teaching people how to use the wheels. i told him if he feels any heat to let me know. he didnt say a word and was so impressed he drove quite a ways to bring me more knives to sharpen.
 
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