How do Randalls compare to other knives ?

Many years ago I purchased the small game Randall model and I thought that was the best made custom I had ever seen. About a year later I bought a J.D. Clay custom that was many times better put together than the Randall. The Randall had uneven grind lines and the guard to blade area had open places, though very small. Now don't get me wrong I'm not badmouthing the Randall's, I'm just saying that the one Ihad wasn't that well made. Possibly, I got a "lemon". The 0-1 Randall blade did perform better than the Clay stainless blade.
Maybe the Randall's are better made today than years ago, I don't know because I haven't seen a Randall in many years. Just my two cents!
 
It is true that you can buy a "Monday" Randall and sometimes you will get a "Wednesday" Randall. Sometimes, I will see a Randall with grinds so sloppy, that I can't believe they let it out of the shop. Others are very well made, but none compare in fit and finish to something made by an ABS Mastersmith in that aspect. Still, Randalls seem to sell as well as anything being made.
 
Interesting reflections on the durability of a Randall. Here’s my personal experience with a Randall model 14 which I carried/used on two infantry tours in Vietnam in the late 60’s. My Randall hung from my web gear, went everywhere I went , and got frequent use. I used it to clear brush, to cut litter poles, to cut metal bands & pry open wooden boxes, to cut cable/wire, dig in the ground for buried caches and to slash VC equipment and hootches we wanted to destroy. It got pretty hard use. It never failed me. It does now have a light set of rust pits and a few dings in the blade which I can’t easily work out. Gives it character. It turned out to be pretty well designed for what I needed. I bought a standard Randall m-14 with carbon steel blade, micarta handle, brass guard, but with the addition of saw teeth on top, making the point a spear point instead of a clip point as on the standard m-14 design . Cost me $35 (1967) and took about a year to get it from the Randall factory. They were real busy turning out knives for people like me. Replaced an older K-Bar which simply was not sturdy enough to stand up to heavy use. I modified my m-14 slightly by cutting coarse checkering on the micarta handle with a triangular file and by dulling the sharpened top edge near the point so it could be used for prying without chipping the edge. The major problem I had was fighting rust. We were constantly wet so I had to keep the blade clean & oiled just like my M-16. The channeled-micarta handle was apparently glued or epoxied on to the tang. It eventually worked loose and I had to tape & reglue it several times. And the leather sheath was nice to look at but no good in a hot, humid environment. It developed a persistent case of mildew/rot. Today, if I had to buy a knife for similar use, I don’t think I would invest $300 in a Randall. They are good but they could be better. I would look at something else with similar features but at a lower cost and with a few changes. A blade to be used in a combat situation needs to be at least1/4” thick, 6-8 inches long, and pointed but without a long skinny, vulnerable point. The fairly blunt spear-point on my m-14 was ideal for digging & prying without getting broken. The “saw teeth” like Randall puts on as an add-on do a pretty good emergency job of ripping and tearing sheet metal (like on a helicopter). But do not count on saw teeth on a knife making it into an effective wood saw. If you plunge a knife into something and want to stop before your hand follows the blade, you want a thick, full guard like the one on the m-14. I would want the same design today. But I would want a stain-resistant steel instead of high-carbon steel. Must be capable of taking a sharp edge but if in doubt, err on the side of tough steel rather than hard (brittle) steel. I would also want an artificial material like micarta for a handle but riveted on and preferably rough-textured or checkered. I would want some sort of solid metal butt cap so you could pound without damaging the handle. I did pound with the butt of my m-14 and that probably helped loosen the handle. A lanyard ring is needed because when you are carrying a knife in your hand on steep terrain or through a river, you often want to use a wrist loop in case you loose your grip on the knife. And I would use a sheath of non-rotting material, like heavy rubberized belting with a metal-reinforced tip to keep the knife point from punching through accidentally. I don’t know anything about the ‘combat knives” they sell nowadays but I suspect they would be as good or better than my Randall if they more or less followed the features I described. The main thing is sturdy, tough ...... not pretty or fancy.
 
All of which is why I bought the Camp Tramp and a Blade Tech Kydex sheath. 52100 is a tough steel, if not stainless, and the locking clip works well with all belts. I prefer high rides to floppy tie down sheaths - they walk and drive better.
The paint on the Camp Tramp does wear off - but with a Sentry cloth, these days it's a nobrainer.
It didn't make Nam, but we can still learn from those who did. Experiences in the field are what drive improvements.
 
Camp Tramp here too. I am considering rehandling the knife with G10. I find the end of the knife handle to tapers too much.

Then off to sheath maker it goes.
 
Due to their serious backlog, I'm wondering whether they want you to pay the full amount in advance. Or do you 'em the money as soon as the knife is finished? Or what?
 
Originally posted by Evolute
poussin,

Some people have used their Randalls hard, and also used other high-end production/semi-custom knives, and compared them.

Here is a thread with specific discussion of how the Randalls held up and compared, based on real hard-use experience:

http://www.bussecombat.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001290;p=1

--Mike

me: ... that Randall and it's reps have are sometimes unfriendly. In one case, I have had this experience when I genuinely wanted to purchase one of their knives. In e-mail, they were quite responsive and friendly. It seems that since they are riding it out on their reputation and the constant flow of loyal or referred customers, they don't seem to have as much time to cater to the individual. As well, some dealers buy from them in bulk and pay for the orders in advance. it is all about moving them as fast as possible and making the profits.

Recently, when i was dealing with Ek, I got a personal callback and they always answered my questions thoroughly as best they can. As well they provided lots of feedback and information on the knife. I always got a callback regardless of how busy they were. Others like Buck, Busse, Cold Steel, and Kershaw were very responsive and helpful as best they could.

As for hard use, it seems that it varies. Again, it is undetermined how the recent Randalls compare to other knives made of late. Looks like the competition has upped the ante. It is curious whether Randall has caught up with the times.
 
I used to buy Randalls almost exclusively in the late '90's before the really long production waits started. I found if I talked to Gary or someone else at the shop, they were very helpful in explaining to me what to ask for if I wanted a certain little nuance, but no more. Things they helped me with before, they simply won't do anymore. I don't fault them for that, the demand just doesn't allow them the luxury of time to spend with one buyers little quirks. ...but then that's when I discovered other knives, too. I think everyone should own at least one Randall, and a whole bunch of other maker's knives also. I'm working on a goal to give a Randall to each of my four children. One daughter has given the choice of which Randall from my collection to her husband. The other daughter is still in high school and hasn't been asked for marriage yet (I wonder how much a young man can be influenced to marriage by the expectation of a Randall!), but I have one for her, or him.

I carried a #14 during part of my military career, and it worked very well. My experience with other knives would allow me to carry another knife if called up again, I'm not hung up on only carrying a Randall.

I knew a Brigade Commander (Colonel) in the 4th Infantry Division who had carried a #14 for 20+ years. It was the only knife he ever carried, and it looked it. It was beat up from banging up against anything inside a tank or command track, but he wouldn't trade it for anything. He wouldn't even send it back to RMK to have it refurbished! It was his baby.

Bruce
 
Sundsvall :

The cordura sheath that Swamp Rat is also a low grade and wears terribly fast. My sheath has only been worn breifly and is already showing serious signs of wear.

I just checked on the two I had used, which are currently out on loan; a howling rat and camp tramp, both of which have been in use for mothsn. Some fraying had taken place around the top of the belt loop on the camp tramp sheath, but no broken stiches, the holwing rat sheath was still basically perfect. If the sheath degrades as quickly as you described the stitching was faulty, most likely it was not finished off properly. They can easily be repaired by hand, but there is no excuse for it to fail that easily, you are easily within you right to ask for a repair / replacement.

-Cliff
 
Originally posted by bruce
I think everyone should own at least one Randall, and a whole bunch of other maker's knives also. I'm working on a goal to give a Randall to each of my four children.

I carried a #14 during part of my military career, and it worked very well. My experience with other knives would allow me to carry another knife if called up again, I'm not hung up on only carrying a Randall.

Bruce
Exactly my opinon also, Bruce. Randalls are not the be all to end all, but they are still fine knives with an indelible history. All of my 5 sons will be given a Randall of there choice from my collection, and will be encouraged to pursue knife collecting from other makers also.

If I would have been a little older, and was called to Viet Nam, I would have taken a stainless #14. Now, I might very well choose a Strider.
 
It's true that Randalls are not beater knives the way that some others are (Busse, Strider). but they're not designed to be, either. Some of Randall's designs go back to the 1930's, and I don't think knives where expected to be used as hammers or pry bars back then. They where considered to be fine cutting tools, and designed as such.

It's possible that there are better knives than Randall in terms of toughness and edge holding. In fact, I'm certain of it, but there are no knives (except for customs) that are more beautiful or have more tradition and history than Randalls.

It depends on your expectations. It's an apples and oranges comparison, IMO. I have Busses and Randalls, and if my life where on the line I would definitely take a Busse (I used a Gerber Multi-Plier when I was in the military, BTW). They are almost indestructible, and the Randall is not, and was never designed to be. But, OTOH, my Randalls are far more beautiful and make better fine cutting tools as well (although my Doziers cut even better).

I can't imagine anyone regretting buying a Randall, but not to beat the hell out of it. Buy a Busse or Strider for that.

Batrachian
 
Kwaiken56, my son-in-law (married to my oldest daughter) chose my 8" Sasquatch w/ forward curved nickel hilt & stag handle (beatiful knife), my oldest son chose a #16 with forward curved nickel hilt, border patrol black micarta handle, and sawteeth (he dives), my youngest son chose a standard #14, my youngest daughter (or her husband, when she gets one) will get a #5-6 with green micarta border patrol handle with all red spacers.

Batrachian, I've never been able to get over the look of Strider's fixed blades. The choil, guard area just looks unsophisticated to me. There are plenty of knives out there I think look better that I've never been able to appreciate them -- even though many claim they are very functional. To paraphrase, "Life's too short to carry an ugly knife."

Bruce
 
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