How do you handle security personal and metal detectors??

Shmulik

Shmulik

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I have a benchmade areas 735, that I'm dieing to take with me everywhere, but with all the security guards we have in Israel, and five years penalty for carrying a knife, I’m just too afraid.
How do you cope with it, and what kind of excuses do you have in your sleeves?
 
Sounds like you have much more restrictive knife laws that we have here in the US. When I run into a metal detector, I usually inform the guard that I have a knife and go from there. Most hold it for me till I come back through (courthouse, etc). I have a few fed gov jobsites that require I go through detectors as well. Since I'm there for work and my job *sometimes* requires a knife (network engineer, I sometimes cut cable, ties, etc), I manage to talk my way through with the blade. I wouldn't risk it in your case.

Chris
 
Interesting. I thought civilians had the right to even carry guns in Israel, am I wrong? Are you palestiniean? Then I can understand the trouble you are having. No slander intended, just curious.

/Colinz
 
I don't think "Shmulik" is a Palestinian name. :D

Are the laws that restrictive, for any and all knives? Then don't carry. We have specific areas that we can't carry knives in the US, generally courthouses and airports, with restrictions in Federal buildings, too. It's just not worth the hassle.

I will carry a reasonable knife anywhere else, and I won't accept aggravation over it, a long as the knife is legal, and I'm behaving myself. But to outright break a serious law is guaranteeing trouble eventually.
 
I must agree with Esav. If you live in an area that is very restrictive and has such harsh penalties for carrying a knife, don't place yourself at risk. I'd rather deal with not carrying a knife just for a few hours if it means not having to go to court or have my favourite knife confiscated.

Shmulik, does Israel restrict all knives, or just knives with a specific blade length?
 
Colinz I am 100% Jewish, just for the record, and in Israel there are many people with a gun license, but they need to have a very good reason for getting one (and most of us have ;)).
El Cid, according to the official Israeli police site, any kind of cutting edge is illegal, though by fact you can carry any kind of multitool.
MTNBKR, with what sizes of knives did you entered a courthouse, and didn’t you get any remarks, like “that’s a big knife! Why do you need that for? :barf:” And so on?
 
If laws were that restrictive but you can still carry any multitool it sounds like a no brainer to me. Carry a multitool you are comfortable with.
 
Shmulik, if the Israeli police does not frown on carrying a multi-tool, then I recommend carrying an inexpensive one if you must, just in case an over zealous constable decides to confiscate it. Still, the fact that most if not all multi-tools have blades, I'd be careful where I carry it, just in case. ;)
Stay safe. :)
 
Huh? You can carry a gun but not a knife? Does this make some sort of sense to anyone?
 
About as much sense as being able to carry a 4 inch blade on a folder but not even a 1 inch fixed blade, here!
 
Originally posted by Shmulik
MTNBKR, with what sizes of knives did you entered a courthouse, and didn’t you get any remarks, like “that’s a big knife! Why do you need that for? :barf:” And so on?
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It was a REKAT Pioneer II with a 3.125" or so blade. The guard running the metal detector didn't even flinch when I pulled it out and handed it to him for safekeeping (I was going with my fiance to get our marriage certificates). This was late August of 2001.

That occurred in SW Virginia, which is in the Southern portion of the US (where your stereotypical "rednecks" live :rolleyes: ). A knife there isn't as out of place as it would be in the Northeastern portion of the country.

Chris
 
I also would recommend carrying the multi-tool instead--better that than nothing at all. I am usually pretty careful about knowing where I'm going and whether to expect a metal detector or not (although I do run into situations where I wasn't expecting one). When I know there's going to be one (airports, federal buildings, etc.), I will leave my knife in the car. But one of the problems with federal buildings and metal detectors, if I'm not mistaken, is that they have the right to search you if you turn around and try to leave to avoid passing through one--it gives them reason to assume you have something to hide (or something like that). Can anyone confirm/disconfirm this?
 
Well, since the rules disallowing knives and weapons in federal buildings are supposedly there to protect the occupants what reason would they have to search you if you were leaving? Then again, that might be rational to be thought of in a federal building. Anyhow, if you leave the building all you would have to say is that you realized you still had your knife and were going to put it back in your vehicle.
 
Yeah, Israeli knife laws can be unbelievebly frustrating.
I used to walk around in Jerusalem with a 4" CS tanto folder and other stuff.
But it was different for me. I was always sure to be around my best buddy, a special forces Lt. , him being in full uniform, so no one ever asked me any questions. However, I wasn't carrying the thing where I knew there are detectors. Not even he could have helped me out there.

All in all, these knife laws can be very stressful, not only in Israel. Currently I live in a country where the laws are only slightly better. Actually, it's not the laws that are better, it's just that they don't really check much over here.

Shmulik, Shalom achi.
I agree with everyone else, your best option is a multi-tool. Personally I carry one as part of my every day carry. It's a black Gerber with the optional tool-kit in the pouch/holster, and with blunt nose. It's simply awsome. However I read a Navy SEAL on another forum recommends ONLY the Swisstool. Dunno??
Good luck.
 
In the US, it's generally accepted to just say, "Oh my goodness. I forgot that that was in my pocket. I'm sorry. Let me must run that back to the car."
 
Shmulik, if you can generally get away with a multitool, check out the Kershaw Multi-Tool, with locking pliers and a 3" liner-locking blade that opens one-handed from outside the handle. Or you might like the Leatherman Wave, their top-of-the-line, with 2 liner-locking knife blades, saw, and file that open one-handed from outside.
 
Esav, I think you’ve got something there. I want to buy the wave but I would like to hear first about the performance of the knives (straight and serrated), and about the tactical side of it, given the nature of the sheathed carry system.
Thanks for the useful advice. :)
 
Shmulik, the Wave is a toolbox, not a tactical knife. You've got easy access to a cutting edge, but the Wave itself is not shaped or balanced for defense as much as utility.

If you don't use the multiplicity of Wave tools now, you might not really need them. Like the high-end Swiss Army Knives, it has a lot of "bells & whistles" that look cool, but just weigh you down and never get used. Meanwhile, it's a fat, clumsy box of a knife, when you really might need a sleeker, faster grip.

The Kershaw, which I haven't seen in person, looks to be slimmer side-to-side, and might do better as a tactical. I have a few Kershaws, not multitools though, and they are sharp.

(If you do pick either of these, you'll have a fine knife/tool.)
 
Esav, if you have seen "Proof of Life" you would know that a multitool makes a fine tactical sentry removal tool, lol.
 
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