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John Katt said:
UH oh... I'm having a conversation with one of those guys ;0) A conspiracy theory behind every innocent topic. do you find rulings by the FDA and the EPA suspect?
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I find it all suspect and that's why I wear a respirator & rubber when using Acetone!

End of story! LOL.
 
John Katt said:
You understand its not really your place to say something like that ;0)
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You're entirely correct. My apologies.

You've previously made statements regarding important health and safety points involving acetone based on documents you've read. Please share those documents with us so we can base our decisions on the information.
 
About five or six years ago I kinda went a reading tangent on the topic of what household chemicals were safe, and although wiki has a bad habit of leaning way to far to the left, the reference material at the bottom of each page is a rich resource for accurate information, stay away from political and tree hugger topics and all is good

Also I never speak up unless I have read something that can be verified some how


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Nice!

Thanks for the information. I'm still going to wear gloves when working with acetone, as the defatting that's occurred from overexposure to the stuff when cleaning up an epoxy spill has left my hand somewhat uncomfortable...
 
Matthew Gregory said:
Nice!

Thanks for the information. I'm still going to wear gloves when working with acetone, as the defatting that's occurred from overexposure to the stuff when cleaning up an epoxy spill has left my hand somewhat uncomfortable...
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Matthew,
Sorry to hear you have had these ill effects. Obviously I am not going to change John's mind about this topic we have side tracked on to, but I hope to tell new makers to stay on the side of caution with all the chemicals & elements we are exposed to.

Would you mind elaborating on what has happen to your hand? My interest is to help myself and others in my shop stay safe.
 
Rhinoknives1 said:
Obviously I am not going to change John's mind about this topic we have side tracked on to
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I think if you re-read this post no where do I advocate skipping common sense safety precautions, only that of the many choices for solvents acetone is most likely the safest choice, and most of all, it does not cause liver damage, you might do well to read some of the reference material I posted

defatting is the removal of the oils that are naturally produced by your skin, leaving behind dry skin that cracks easily, In a more common term, "dish pan hands" a common condition caused by the over use of detergents,hand cleaners, and solvents
 
I too have had the best luck with lacquer thinner, the citrus based
products coming in a close second. Acetone---- not so much, esp.
for products like Feathering disc adhesive.
Ken.
 
Anything for you, Matt. :rolleyes:
(Really, the stuff works so well I can't say enough about it. Squirt it on and rub it around with your finger.
Wipe it off.
It's that simple.
Rinses clean with water and no fuss.)

Matthew Gregory said:
I'm not using Karl's suggestion just to be difficult. He's not the boss of me...

: )

WD40 always worked for me, but Karl has been SO emphatic that I can't help but find a can and try it. Thanks Karl!
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John Katt said:
I think if you re-read this post no where do I advocate skipping common sense safety precautions, only that of the many choices for solvents acetone is most likely the safest choice, and most of all, it does not cause liver damage, you might do well to read some of the reference material I posted
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Apologies, I did get my facts mixed and the epoxy is what is linked to liver damage, still since the epoxy is what we are cleaning up with the acetone gloves & respirator are in order. I also think these citrus based products are most likely the least harmful than the Acetone.
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defatting is the removal of the oils that are naturally produced by your skin, leaving behind dry skin that cracks easily, In a more common term, "dish pan hands" a common condition caused by the over use of detergents,hand cleaners, and solvents[/QUOTE]

I am familiar with defatting & dish pan hands. Don't you think it would be nice to let Matthew answer for himself about the nature, condition and severity of the irritation caused? LOL That's if he wants to? LOL
 
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I wholly agree the citrus based cleaners are the safest, and that it is very important to wear gloves when using epoxy and cleaning up the mess ;0)

Also I did not comment on the condition of Matthew's hands, I simply gave you the definition of defatting

was there a particular catalyst you were speaking about that causes liver damage?
 
I believe its the two part epoxies we use, I can't give you a quote from a medical report but that was what my friend that owned the medical blood testing lab said, that that stuff goes through your skin and ends up in your liver.

I have also heard that from one or two other makers. I buy the thick black mechanics disposable gloves from HF for hand protection when working with all of the solvents and epoxies. I have never had those tear or break like the thin latex gloves.
 
I've only read a little about epoxy, enough to know that some people are predisposed to developing an acute sensitivity to the stuff, thats when I bought my first latex gloves

I still have a lot of the cheapy latex gloves left, after they are gone I will likely upgrade to the black gloves, I think the first time I seen them was on a referee officiating a UFC bout, Bonus part they seem a little more manly ;0)
 
I kicked a BIG bottle of hardener over in my shop, and quickly scrambled to clean it up before it ran everywhere, using quite a bit of acetone to get it all up. For weeks I had a dishpan-left-hand, and it's only now finally beginning to look and feel right.

Take precautions when using chemicals. No sense in needlessly placing yourself at risk.
 
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