How do you tell a HH FSH from a FSH?

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Ok here it is, I bought a FSH with a Brown sheath from a great member here on the forum. I ended up sending the knife out to get worked on, and had gotten another what I thought was a FSH. Well, I posted it up for sale, and a buyer wanted the FSH and the sheath. So I tied it out and it didn't fit, the blade was very tight and it wouldn't fit. I messaged David Brown and asked him about it, it turns out that there is a HH FSH that is almost exactly the same but instead of the .25" it is .27". So after looking around I thought it to be the HH FSH, it had to be, and according to the gring. Well, I sold it and the buyer measures it and says it's .25 and is only a FSH and not a HH FSH. So I brought up an old thead but nobody helped me out on it so here is the question, how can you tell? The buyer took a pict of the with a measuring tape and I did the same with my FSH. Now we all know Busse may vary a bit with the thickness even with the same model but looking at the picts, can someone tell me if it is a FSH or a HH FSH?



It's the top knife in the picture. If you know please help, thanks
Dan
 
The HH FSH, or Heavy Heart, has a sabre grind where the flat of the blade does not go all the way to the spine. It's the knife in the Busse Combat logo, and in my sig line picture.

On yours, the grind goes all the way up to the spine, so you have a different FSH model.

Here's someone else's picture of a Heavy Heart:

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It's a little hard to see in the picture, but the grind does not go all the way up. There's a flat section about 1/2 inch wide running along the spine.

I don't have time now to take a pic of mine, but I have an HH FSH, and it's very cool.
 
from the research I've done, the FSH can come in different grinds, like the one posted here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675032&highlight=fsh
That's a HH but not a sabre grind. Or if it is in Satin that won't apply?

To mods: not trying to jack someone thread or help anyone selling anything, just need the picture and info posted for reference, feel free to edit if you think it is not appropriate. thanks
 
hmmm... then I still don't get it, why would that knife not fit into the David Brown sheath? It was too thick. And what I had that I sent to get work done, was confirmed to be a FSH. That knife will not fit into that FSH sheath I am selling. So what's going on?

And what about that link in satin, is that not a HH FSH?
 
In a short, You have the standard FSH, this knife is .250". Now Jerry and crew made some of the newer blades that look just like a FSH meaning a full flat grind BUT the blade thickness is .270"... So this means there is TWO models of the FSH out there one at .250 & one at .270" The ONLY way of knowing is to measure via CALIPER. A ruler or tape will NOT WORK!!!

The HHFSH with it's Saber grind is .270" and can't be confused with a full flat grind period...

Invest in Calipers can't be stressed enough and they are not expensive.

To keep it simple just refer it as FSH.25 or FSH.27 simple. Same knife, one is a little thicker.
 
Liu Kang said:
hmmm... then I still don't get it, why would that knife not fit into the David Brown sheath? It was too thick. And what I had that I sent to get work done, was confirmed to be a FSH. That knife will not fit into that FSH sheath I am selling. So what's going on?

And what about that link in satin, is that not a HH FSH?
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No, it is not. The specific term Heavy Heart FSH should be reserved for that cohort of 400 knives sold by the Busse Company Store (200 w/std scales, 200 magnum). There were black coated, black micarta scales, 0.27" thick and sabre ground. The original FSH was sold before that on the Busse Combat site, was flat ground (well...a hint of convex on the grind), 0.25" thick and could be ordered in many variations. Until recently this was all clear, but then the Shop started recently putting out some flat ground FSH at 0.27" thick and confusion has ensued.

Let's agree collectively to keep the HH FSH name for what it always meant.

Sellers can specify the thickness of their FSH, as suggested above, and potential buyers can then discern if it is one from the original FSH run or the newer ones trickling out of the shop for shows.
 
that pic is of my HH. All the heavy hearts have a saber grind and the logo is in the middle of the blade not on the top edge. Yes, the spec ops sheath I made to fit my HH will not fit other FSH, there are some differences in with and design shape. The HH also as far as I know only came in the old Combat grade with black canvas handles on black blade. I could be wrong on this, but all I have ever seen on the forums look exactly like mine.
just some FSH are thicker than others. the FSH you got from me, is just a bit thicker maybe than a normal FSH but that doesn't make it a HH.
 
fbusmc said:
that pic is of my HH. All the heavy hearts have a saber grind and the logo is in the middle of the blade not on the top edge. Yes, the spec ops sheath I made to fit my HH will not fit other FSH, there are some differences in with and design shape. The HH also as far as I know only came in the old Combat grade with black canvas handles on black blade. I could be wrong on this, but all I have ever seen on the forums look exactly like mine.
just some FSH are thicker than others. the FSH you got from me, is just a bit thicker maybe than a normal FSH but that doesn't make it a HH.
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Did you measure it? How do you know it's thicker?
 
Ok, I give up, I must be wrong and have spent too much time on this already. I was originally going to sell the knife to the buyer for a set price, bumped it up a tad cause I thought it was a HH, and now that it's not, I refunded the difference.
There is so little documented information on Busse... it really is hard to get info it you want or need it. I don't know if that is a good thing or bad thing. Good thing cause it keeps you on top of your game, bad if you don't keep up and search like crazy. Either way, that's what comes along with Busse and I take that too.
 
resinguy said:
No, it is not. The specific term Heavy Heart FSH should be reserved for that cohort of 400 knives sold by the Busse Company Store (200 w/std scales, 200 magnum). There were black coated, black micarta scales, 0.27" thick and sabre ground. The original FSH was sold before that on the Busse Combat site, was flat ground (well...a hint of convex on the grind), 0.25" thick and could be ordered in many variations. Until recently this was all clear, but then the Shop started recently putting out some flat ground FSH at 0.27" thick and confusion has ensued.

Let's agree collectively to keep the HH FSH name for what it always meant.

Sellers can specify the thickness of their FSH, as suggested above, and potential buyers can then discern if it is one from the original FSH run or the newer ones trickling out of the shop for shows.
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Yep, the HH FSH was just from the Company Store and yes, keep the name as is.

Just call the new ones 'fattys'. :D That's about all we used to do when the thickness went over .27 or so.

Rob
 
GregS said:
He wasn't talking about you at all.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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O, I think I know what you mean. I try to be as honest as possible, nobody is perfect and I try to correct my mistakes.
I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped me figure this one out, I still don't know why that FSH is thicker then mine. Can they really come out of the factory varying that much in thickness that one kydex will fit on one but not the other? I have heard some stores but ...
Well, moving on...
 
Liu Kang said:
Ok, I give up, I must be wrong and have spent too much time on this already. I was originally going to sell the knife to the buyer for a set price, bumped it up a tad cause I thought it was a HH, and now that it's not, I refunded the difference.
There is so little documented information on Busse... it really is hard to get info it you want or need it. I don't know if that is a good thing or bad thing. Good thing cause it keeps you on top of your game, bad if you don't keep up and search like crazy. Either way, that's what comes along with Busse and I take that too.
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If the one that you sold was 0.25" or even 0.27 and flat ground, then it wasn't really a HH FSH. So it sounds like you did the right thing by taking care of your customer. :thumbup:

Liu Kang said:
O, I think I know what you mean. I try to be as honest as possible, nobody is perfect and I try to correct my mistakes.
I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped me figure this one out, I still don't know why that FSH is thicker then mine. Can they really come out of the factory varying that much in thickness that one kydex will fit on one but not the other? I have heard some stores but ...
Well, moving on...
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Fit can be subtle. The original issue FSH were 0.25", and mostly flat gound, but with a slight convex. These new generation FSH, at 0.27" flat ground may be a different thickness at half-height on the blade, ie a different profile. Also, most people report that the Buy Brown sheaths use more tension on the blade itself than some other sheath do, so fit is more critical in that case.
 
Hi Lui Kang ,

the difference between .25" & .27" is a lot in the kydex world.

As I stated in my e-mail;

"It is my sheath.

From you Pm you said, that you got the sheath with a FSH w/regular handles & it fit that knife perfect ?

But you sent that knife to get magnum handles put on.

Now this sheath will not fit your other FSH ?

Are you sure it is not a Fat FSH ? From the pictures Your Steel heart looks like an extra thick model .

This sheath was made for a regular FSH with standard handles. It fit my FSH I have here & the one that you had correct ?

I would like to help you out but most of the time you cannot re-mold the sheath to fit a different model knife & the Heavy Steel heart, Fat Fusion Steel heart, & other models other than the standard are different models.

Sorry but since it may be a different model, I cannot re-mold it & send it to your customer.

A whole new sheath would have to be made."

Now I was not sure if it was a Fat Fusion Steelheart or some variant, all I know is that it fit the knife it came with & it will not fit the thicker FSH.

Sorry it is not working out for you & if you need a sheath for the fatter knife I would be more than happy to make one for you, but you will need to send the fatter FSH in to have it done as all I have is the regular .25" one.

I am not trying to offend you or anything like that just clarifying my part of this, since my name was brought into it. :)
 
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