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tom19176 said:
So you amazed them by using an aquired skill to open their knives, then told them their knife was illegal for that reason? :thumbdn:
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So you amazed them by using an aquired skill to open their knives, then told them their knife was illegal for that reason? :thumbdn:
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I'm having trouble picturing this scenario ..... a LEO who just stands there while you're being menaced to the point of having to defend yourself, and then intervenes only to arrest you for a knife law violation ....???tom19176 said:
Of course if you're just flicking your knife open in public for no good reason, sounds fair enough to me.
No Rat Finkenstein.....when I was a kid I learned how to open knives that way as did most of my friends growing up in a bad part of NYC. Back then I never realized that was illegal. When I learned better, I always showed people who where carry garvity knives how they could be opened and advised them of the law. I did not arrest them as I could have done.
I only mentioned this here, as it is this thread is talking about how to open knives in a manner that is illegal in almost all states.....just a warning.
If you ever defended yourself with a knife that you flicked open, you will most likely be charged with possession of a gravity knife.....
Dog of War....I was mainly referring to people who flick the knife open to cut a box open, and a LEO with nothing to do at that moment seeing it.....
I only mentioned this here, as it is this thread is talking about how to open knives in a manner that is illegal in almost all states.....just a warning.
If you ever defended yourself with a knife that you flicked open, you will most likely be charged with possession of a gravity knife.....
Dog of War....I was mainly referring to people who flick the knife open to cut a box open, and a LEO with nothing to do at that moment seeing it.....
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tom19176 said:
See, you are wrong on all points. A gravity knife doesnt mean it can be flicked open, but that it doesnt have a tendency to remain closed- and will basically flop open by gravity alone.
As far as "illegal in almost all states" that is a untruthful generalization. Not all states have draconian laws like NY. (freely interpreted by overzealous LEO's.)
If you hand the knife to an old lady and tell her to flick it open, and she is able to- having never done it before, then the pivot is too loose- maybe it could be considered a gravity knife. If someone who has had years of practice, using his aquired skill can do it, that just means he can deliver an unusually strong wrist flick, and it means nothing. I regularly flick open knives that, if I hand them to a friend, they cannot come close to flicking out. They look like retarded monkeys flailing their arms, and the blade remains closed.
I have flicked a buck 110, does that make it a gravity knife?
Edit. I guess my ultimate point was, that if the avarage joe cannot flick a knife without practice, it is dishonest to say it is illegal when a skilled wrist flicker can do it. Skill level should not enter into the equation.
I will not argue with someone who does not know the law. True gravity knives are made to open out the front after a release button is pressed. The law does not define it this way. The federal law is worse than the NY law as it does not require it to lock open. If you check the defintion of gravity knives in all the states, they simply say a knife that can be opened by gravity, inertia or both. I don't like it, but it is the law.....look up Levine's link and check the FEDERAL law and your state law.....let me know what you find....you will most likely be surprised......
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tom19176 said:
Since this is what you got your Federal definition from, I would like to point out that it has absolutely nothing to do with local or state ordinances regarding possession or carry. So you have proven that you don't understand the law, and previously shown that you freely interpret the law to suit your level of skill at opening a knife. Judging from my previous experiences with the level of knife law knowledge possessed by LEO's, I am not surprised.
I think it is great that you have at least made an effort to read and understand your local knife laws, but you are being overzealous in your interpretation of what a gravity knife is. The definition of gravity knives should not be affected by skill level. That is BS.
I could likely perform an inertial opening on your knives- would that make them gravity knives? There are very few one hand opening single bladed knives I have failed to flick open, and in those cases the blade was far too small or the pivot crusty.
FWIW, there is no law against inertial opening in MN.
This is why one should always research and/or ask the DA about knife legality. Cops more often than not, don't know.
In NY the DA has always found any knife that could be flicked open to be a gravity knife. They teach the same in the Academy, and is so stated in the Patrolmen's guide.
I checked your state MN, and it does not mention gravity knives, but does mention switchblades, and since gravity knives are not defined in your state, a DA within your state could easily use the Federal definition, and it would therefore be deemed a switchblade. Like it or not that is how the "legal" mind works.....I am a collector like you and know the difference.....I was only making a point about opening knives in this manner in public...I was not looking for a legal fight. In fact Buck changed their model 110 in the 1970's because they were too often deemed gravity knives in many states.
I checked your state MN, and it does not mention gravity knives, but does mention switchblades, and since gravity knives are not defined in your state, a DA within your state could easily use the Federal definition, and it would therefore be deemed a switchblade. Like it or not that is how the "legal" mind works.....I am a collector like you and know the difference.....I was only making a point about opening knives in this manner in public...I was not looking for a legal fight. In fact Buck changed their model 110 in the 1970's because they were too often deemed gravity knives in many states.
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No way in hell I will be arrested for carrying a Delica because I flicked it open with my wrist. That's the bottom line. No argueing that. If I showed a LEO how to open his knife in that method I am sure he will be grateful and thank me.
I just figured out recently how to open my Spyderco Native with a flick of my thumbnail. I had always thought that this was just for thumb stud knives. While this is fun and that is how I open it now, I don't see how there is any real added utility to opening it with a flick rather than rotating it open with my thumb in the ordinary way.
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Then you're nicer than any of the LEOs I've ever encountered.tom19176 said:
My favorite scenario is:
"I'm sorry, son, I'm going to have to confiscate that."
"Yeah, are you going to put it into an evidence locker, or into your pocket?!?"
Most of the time, I've learned, that retort is best kept inside my head, for fear of a free taxi ride to the precinct and some nice steel bracelets.