How good are the Chris Reeve Sebenzas?

For me it's a miss. I've never owned one and doubt I will. It's quality is unquestionable. But it doesn't do anything for me that I can't get for less money elsewhere. If it's features do something for you (even if just emotionally) that you can't get at that price elsewhere, then by all means buy one.

I find more value in a good ~$50-$100 knife. My use isn't hard enough to see them break in 5-10 years time. I'm more likely to lose a knife than break it. The attention to detail is not that important for my use. I can appreciate well built things but for what I do, it's not really any more useful than a Griptillion. Honestly, on most days I'm much better off with a Victorinox Cadet than anything bigger. I typically don't have a need for anything more and the extra slim size is very discrete in dress slacks. Plus, nobody freaks out when you pull out a small Swiss Army knife.

If you value what it offers, buy it. I'm not into knives for an appreciation of craftsmanship. I buy them because I want to be able to cut something. There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying an item because of its craftsmanship. I get it, but knives aren't enough of an interest for me to do it.

Ive seen the same in 1911's. People go on about the craftsmanship of a semi-custom 1911. I fell for that one and bought out of my typical price range. It shot no better than the cheaper 1911 I had, though the fit was better and the trigger was better. I'm sure it would stand up to use better and need rebuilt far less frequently, but I shoot them little enough I'll never see the difference. It felt like a lot of hype for something that didn't make a noticeable difference other than to say so to others. I have a feeling I'd se the same in a CRK. I'm sure the difference is there but I just don't think I'm really invested enough to care about it.
 
While it's true there are many knives available with the same materials......how many of those companies offer a warranty to match?
Some companies making them don't even have a stateside location for warranty.
Joe

Zero Tolerance?
 
I gotta say I love the s35vn at the new 59-60 treatment.
Never heard about this new treatment. How new is it and how do you tell that a knife has it?

Also I wonder if it is possible to retreat the blade by an independent service (eg Peters) to a higher hardness so that it fits back without any additional fitment?
 
Never heard about this new treatment. How new is it and how do you tell that a knife has it?

Also I wonder if it is possible to retreat the blade by an independent service (eg Peters) to a higher hardness so that it fits back without any additional fitment?

I am just referring to crk. They changed from a rc hardness of 58-59 to 59-60 at the end of 2013. While small. I noticed a difference. Not that it was even bad before hand.
I think you can re treat a blade a little harder. But that would void the warranty . And crk has very few issues with blade damage from whawhat I've read and heard from Reeve himself in a video.

But interesting idea. I'd like to hear from an expert on the subject.
 
Bought a CR small Inkozi didn't have a chance to handle one beforehand it is a very nice knife but just didn't do it for me for the price point. Just a bit to smallish thumbstud seemed a bit far back and I ended up sending it back now waiting on a BM 5500 Auto.
 
For me it's a miss. I've never owned one and doubt I will. It's quality is unquestionable. But it doesn't do anything for me that I can't get for less money elsewhere. If it's features do something for you (even if just emotionally) that you can't get at that price elsewhere, then by all means buy one.

I find more value in a good ~$50-$100 knife. My use isn't hard enough to see them break in 5-10 years time. I'm more likely to lose a knife than break it. The attention to detail is not that important for my use. I can appreciate well built things but for what I do, it's not really any more useful than a Griptillion. Honestly, on most days I'm much better off with a Victorinox Cadet than anything bigger. I typically don't have a need for anything more and the extra slim size is very discrete in dress slacks. Plus, nobody freaks out when you pull out a small Swiss Army knife.

If you value what it offers, buy it. I'm not into knives for an appreciation of craftsmanship. I buy them because I want to be able to cut something. There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying an item because of its craftsmanship. I get it, but knives aren't enough of an interest for me to do it.

Ive seen the same in 1911's. People go on about the craftsmanship of a semi-custom 1911. I fell for that one and bought out of my typical price range. It shot no better than the cheaper 1911 I had, though the fit was better and the trigger was better. I'm sure it would stand up to use better and need rebuilt far less frequently, but I shoot them little enough I'll never see the difference. It felt like a lot of hype for something that didn't make a noticeable difference other than to say so to others. I have a feeling I'd se the same in a CRK. I'm sure the difference is there but I just don't think I'm really invested enough to care about it.

So you, uhhh...so you joined a knife board?
 
If you can't personally handle a Sebenza before buying, don't pull the trigger. Ever.

I have Kershaw $25 1987 RJ Tactical folder, an RJ Martin design, and I would always and forever choose this over any Sebenza: Being assisted it opens far more positively, and, once sharpened properly, cuts just as well, with (imo) a far better blade design. Not to mention it has a better more rounded section to its handle, and in addition the opening lever acts as a mini guard (like all flippers)... I also think the handle texture and all black color, plus discrete lettering, combine well to make it look like quite an expensive knife...

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Unlike a Sebenza, the handle will never scuff up or take scratches, plus it has superb ergonomics, and the blade opens exactly like an automatic knife(!): It is also longer and pointier at 3 and 11/16". The knife is lighter than a Sebenza, yet the liner lock is steel on steel, so this has lower wear over time, and the discrete clip design is just brilliant. Grind crispness and symmetry was absolutely perfect.

This is by far the best folder I have ever owned, and I have owned some worth in the hundreds, including some high end Spydercos: They all seem clumsy and second-rate now...

The Sebenza is also said to have a weak detent: For that reason alone I would never even consider it...

This is not to say the $25 Kershaw is necessarily the knife for you: I just used it as an example to illustrate how the Sebenza is probably the most over-hyped piece of cutlery in the history of cutting things (besides Busse maybe)... It is absolutely drowning in the stuff, so keep that in mind whenever someone advises such an expensive purchase...

Gaston

Wow, anybody else really surprised when there wasn't a link we could conveniently use to buy said sebenza killer at the end of the post? :rolleyes:
 
Was thinking of the new Chinese offerings.

I must admit, if manufacture can't send to customer for free spare screws to >$200 knife I don't support them. It's why I support Benchmade and I hope to buy ZT in future too.
 
Wow, anybody else really surprised when there wasn't a link we could conveniently use to buy said sebenza killer at the end of the post? :rolleyes:

I wasn't surprised bro!!
Maybe you don't know Gaston?? If you ask him really nice, he'll just send you 2 of those Sebbie killers for free!!
No link needed!!
Joe
 
For me it's a miss. I've never owned one and doubt I will. It's quality is unquestionable. But it doesn't do anything for me that I can't get for less money elsewhere. If it's features do something for you (even if just emotionally) that you can't get at that price elsewhere, then by all means buy one.

I find more value in a good ~$50-$100 knife. My use isn't hard enough to see them break in 5-10 years time. I'm more likely to lose a knife than break it. The attention to detail is not that important for my use. I can appreciate well built things but for what I do, it's not really any more useful than a Griptillion. Honestly, on most days I'm much better off with a Victorinox Cadet than anything bigger. I typically don't have a need for anything more and the extra slim size is very discrete in dress slacks. Plus, nobody freaks out when you pull out a small Swiss Army knife.

If you value what it offers, buy it. I'm not into knives for an appreciation of craftsmanship. I buy them because I want to be able to cut something. There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying an item because of its craftsmanship. I get it, but knives aren't enough of an interest for me to do it.

Ive seen the same in 1911's. People go on about the craftsmanship of a semi-custom 1911. I fell for that one and bought out of my typical price range. It shot no better than the cheaper 1911 I had, though the fit was better and the trigger was better. I'm sure it would stand up to use better and need rebuilt far less frequently, but I shoot them little enough I'll never see the difference. It felt like a lot of hype for something that didn't make a noticeable difference other than to say so to others. I have a feeling I'd se the same in a CRK. I'm sure the difference is there but I just don't think I'm really invested enough to care about it.

Man it's tough to give an opinion of the pro's and con's of something you have never owned or used....

I have stayed away from doing that for a very long time, it's just makes it hard to be taken seriously.
When I was "that guy" I would have (and did) label a Sebenza as:

Boring.
Over priced for what it is.
Over Hyped.
Two un-ergonomic slabs of Ti and a blade.

After actually owning and using one, I would call a Sebenza:

An incredibly simple and well designed knife that has an incredibly high standard of fit and finish.
When I was done playing with all of the $1000+ toys with exotic materials from exotic makers and just wanted to carry a knife that is versatile, easy to live with, and I can depend on everyday for EDC, there is nothing better.

Your milage may vary....

As I have said before. It's a knife that can only really be appreciated once you have owned and USED a lot of knives at all ends of the spectrum.
 
Man it's tough to give an opinion of the pro's and con's of something you have never owned or used....

I have stayed away from doing that for a very long time, it's just makes it hard to be taken seriously.
When I was "that guy" I would have (and did) label a Sebenza as:

Boring.
Over priced for what it is.
Over Hyped.
Two un-ergonomic slabs of Ti and a blade.

After actually owning and using one, I would call a Sebenza:

An incredibly simple and well designed knife that has an incredibly high standard of fit and finish.
When I was done playing with all of the $1000+ toys with exotic materials from exotic makers and just wanted to carry a knife that is versatile, easy to live with, and I can depend on everyday for EDC, there is nothing better.

Your milage may vary....

As I have said before. It's a knife that can only really be appreciated once you have owned and USED a lot of knives at all ends of the spectrum.

Well said.
 
Man it's tough to give an opinion of the pro's and con's of something you have never owned or used....

I have stayed away from doing that for a very long time, it's just makes it hard to be taken seriously.
When I was "that guy" I would have (and did) label a Sebenza as:

Boring.
Over priced for what it is.
Over Hyped.
Two un-ergonomic slabs of Ti and a blade.

After actually owning and using one, I would call a Sebenza:

An incredibly simple and well designed knife that has an incredibly high standard of fit and finish.
When I was done playing with all of the $1000+ toys with exotic materials from exotic makers and just wanted to carry a knife that is versatile, easy to live with, and I can depend on everyday for EDC, there is nothing better.

Your milage may vary....

As I have said before. It's a knife that can only really be appreciated once you have owned and USED a lot of knives at all ends of the spectrum.

Excellent statement.
 
I have owned many CRK's in the past and their fit and finish is incomparable. The sebenza is a timeless knife IMO. The only thing I have never done is see how far I can push one in hard-use. I have always been curious about it and I plan on trying it soon.
 
Ha! Nope, just trying to speak out of the correct hole!!

Ummmmmmmmm.......I love it!!! Really nothing more to be said......alright, maybe a little something!
If you have NO experience with an item, how can you make a factual contribution to a discussion??
Seems like someone is trying to convince themselves of something that isn't true to make oneself feel better.
In my experience comparing lower to higher prices items, knives, guns, scopes, pool cues or tools there is a tremendous difference. IF you are advanced in that particular field to feel and appreciate the difference.
A good pool player will notice immediately the difference between a house cue and a good custom. Same with many products.
Naturally, you can reach the point of diminishing returns with anything....3 lbs of ivory doesn't really add anything to the function of a pool cue.

Long winded way of saying a $25 Kershaw will not out perform a $400 Sebbie.
Or a $30 scope will hold zero, and have consistent adjustments like a $500 scope.
And on and on and on.
Joe
 
The Sebenza is all about excellence in machining and micro tolerances. A big deal for some and not a big enough deal to many other's, to justify the price tag. I really like mine. While a totally different animal, imho the ZT0450 has a little of the Sebenza vibe for about half the price.
 
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