How I QC a khukuri in five minutes. You can do it, too.

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With some practice checking out a khukuri and many other blades for that matter can be done quickly and easily. I have had a little experience doing this but anybody can learn to do it very quickly. Here's how:

Visual inspection

This is what we all do first -- look at the knife but all this does is tell us how it looks to us and that's it. It tells us nothing about quality, performance, strength, durability or anything else. And looks can be deceiving as we all know. A beautiful artknife can be terrible in every category above and an ugly village khukuri can perform like a champion and last for years. Don't expect that by looking at a knife you can learn anything beyond just that -- how it looks.


Checking lateral blade strength

This is important when checking large knives such as the khukuri because big knives are often called upon to do more than chop or cut. Leroy Thompson in his article for SWAT, for example, used his 15 inch Ang Khola to pry a padlock off a door. This is the test I run first. If the blade takes a permanent bend or breaks it tells me either the steel is poor, the heat treat is poor -- or both -- and there is little need for continued testing. The knife has already failed.

There are many ways to check lateral blade strength (well secured vice, fork in a tree, etc.) but I try to do it the easiest way I can find. I have an old telephone line cable spool which has a center hole of maybe 2.5 to 3 inches. I stick the khukuri into the hole and lean on the handle just about full weight (190 lbs) as the picture shows (15 inch Ak is getting the test). If the blade doesn't come out of the hole the way it went in the knife is a reject. This test requires less than a minute and tells a lot.

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Checking blade quality and hardness

A quick test that will tell you a lot is this. Check carefully the sharpness and edge condition of the blade first and then simply give a piece of fairly hard wood (seasoned oak, purple heart, etc.) a few full strength chops. Check your edge again and see if it has changed. If the edge is pretty much the same continue your test. If it has changed noticeably you can stop testing. The steel is poor quality, heat treat is no good, or both, and you have a reject.

If the knife passes the chop test above I use an old finishing file to further check hardness because I am familiar with the file and it tells me a lot. I run it along the length of the blade. If the file drags the blade is too soft. If it slides easily along the blade the hardness is around mid to upper 50s Rc, maybe even higher, and that's enough for a khukuri. If the file drags a bit near the tip and cho that's fine -- these areas are usually a little softer. You can get pretty good at this file test if you check some known Rcs with your file and either note or remember how the file behaved on various Rcs.

I also use a stone in the same manner. This is an old, well worn stone that has been used on everything ranging from Rc 28 or 30 to Rc 68 or 70 and what the stone does to the metal tells me a lot. Practice checking what the stone does to various Rcs and it will become a valuable tool in testing.

Here is the sum total of the tools I use -- file, stone, and section of well seasoned oak 2x6. Please note recycled khukuri handle put on file by Kami.

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Extreme testing

I sometimes test a blade to see if it chips, fractures or deforms when put to extreme use. I know that I am going to damage the blade so if you are not prepared for blade damage don't do this test. I chop nails and bolts, usually, to see what happens. If the blade chips out or fractures I have usually damaged the blade beyond repair and I really hate to see this. If the blade deforms and can be put back to near original condition with a little work I am much happier. This is what I want to see on the HI khukuris and how they almost always perform.

Hope this info might help in checking out your knives.

Cliff, Will, anybody with tips here's a good place to toss them in.

Uncle Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 29 June 1999).]
 
Hi Uncle I filled in the ghost post.Darn mouse!It reminds me of a girlfriend who somehow missed the sewing part of being a girl.I asked her to darn a sock.She said,with some conviction,("Darn you sock!").On a really dull khukurie,I would start with a half round Mill Bastard,not a flat.I have buffed mine,but can do it again.I`m not going to run out of steel.The engraving is deep enough.I forgot to mention that I have my name in Devengari engraved forward of the HI signature.I had no scratches with oak,maple or basswood.I have other tools to dig potatoes.No rolling; just common, ordinary, uniform dulling.Cliff is,of course,the expert here.

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[This message has been edited by ghostsix (edited 29 June 1999).]
 
I`ve been and out.DoD has a program whereby I can make their computer as my own.Same display.I was in a place where chopping green coconuts for milk was a common knife chore.I was not expected to do this for myself but,I tried the BAS.It chopped through leaving a hinge.The cane knives took four or five chops.Rather sloppy I thought.

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Bill :

[refering to heavy impacts]

I know that I am going to damage the blade

This is probably the most important point that can be made about evaluation - knives get damaged. Even normal use like chopping wood damages a knife. The edge dulls which is either metal breaking away or bending out of line. However - the damage has to be consistent with the stress level. The only way to judge this is off of some level of performance that you think is acceptable.

I was discussing some testing with a friend of mine here at mun (Casey Butt), he is currently in engn. and has a stronger background in materials than me. I approached him about doing some side-by-side reviews with me as I think he could offer considerable information. He was positive, but his perspective was pretty much the same as Bills and he suggested that I do the durability testing first as what difference does it make how the knife performs on light work if it fails under heavy.

If I was evaluating a knife for personal use I would agree. The only reason I do the heavy stuff last is that sometime there are "weak" knives with decent geometry and it is of interest to me to see how those geometries perform, or something like that. If I was in Bill's position I would do the same thing.

I would like to mention here that what Bill has just done is probably the rarest thing you will ever see a knife dealer/maker do. He has described exactly what his performance expectations of his blades are. These tests are noted in enough detail that they are easily repeatable by the people buying them. It is of no surprise to me that he has done this as he was very direct when I first asked him about his khukuris but it is not something you will see very many people do.

-Cliff


[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 30 June 1999).]
 
There are times when I am too busy or too lazy to test all our khukuris so I thought I'd outline what I do in case anybody wanted to duplicate it. After checking five thousand khukuris you get pretty good at predicting what the knife will do simply by listening to what the blade says when you pass the file and stone across it.

In lateral strength testing I do not expect a 20 inch Sirupati to stand up to a 20 inch Ang Khola.

Uncle Bill
 
I usually test to see if the knife will stand up to what I intend to do with it. I usually don't pry with a knife since I have had a few accidents with frozen food in the kitchen. I like blunt instruments for prying.

I think the blade should be able to stand up to chopping on hard wood when it is razor sharp. The knife should be undamaged when it is twisted out of wood after it has been hammered into it. This involves me standing in front of the knife and wiggling the handle back and forth until enough wood is moved aside and the blade comes loose.

The only knives I have done prying with are the 15" Ang Khola, 16.5" WWII model, and 20" Ang Khola. These knives were wacked into a stump about at the mid point of the belly. I would lean on the handle with my full weight. The 20" and 15" Ang Khola had almost no deflection. The WWII model had a bit. All 3 knives were undamaged.

Bill, I assume that your testing would not void the warrenty on the knives. Ha

Will

[This message has been edited by Will Kwan (edited 30 June 1999).]
 
Thanks for input, Will. The only thing I test are the HI khukuris. I have an old SAK that I love and would not put it thru the punishment.

The Sirupatis are really not designed for prying so I don't stress them like I do the AKs.

Uncle bill
 
I think most people who need a knife that will substitute as a prybar will go for the AK rather than the Sirupati. Looks alone tell a lot of the story. Tests tell the final chapter.

Uncle Bill
 
This is another cool thing about HI ,most companies tout their 3/16" or 1/4" thick knives with standard heat treating as being soooo strong and tough. Bill and the HI die hards consider a 3/8" thick zone hardened blade to be on the weak side for prying and heavy chopping. LOL! I love it.
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Marcus
 
Marcus, we want and expect our khukuris to do what we say they will do. This is why we take great pains to make them the way we do and why we QC them very hard. Even Cliff, the destroyer of knives, has yet to destroy a single HI khukuri.

Uncle Bill
 
Marcus, truth be told ( and guaranteed anonymity ) this bunch could probably give you a whole lot of good loads for plinking and varmint shooting with the 458 and other elephant gun calibers.
 
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Hey Rusty.
I don't know anything about that
caliber,but I do know when you shoot
a rabbit in the back of the head with
a .357 Mag. 158 gr. semi jacket
hollow point that all you have to do
is skin it. Everything else is
removed cleanly.
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Back when I could
still see I hunted squirrel with it.
( I have a Marlin Carbine and Ruger
Sec.Six,4" brl. ) I could use the
same round and "Bark" the squirrel
out of the trees. Every once in a
while I would "miss" and hit 'em in
the head.
Neat lobotomy trick,but they never
survived the operation.
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I guess I always have liked more tool
than I needed hence the reason I
finally found my way here and the
Kuhkuris.
Like I said before. I have regreted
carying a small knife and needing a
big one,but never the other way
around.

It would be kinda neat if we could
all get together and swap stories.
"That" would make a book in its own
right!!
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I could tell ya what
IBI means. ( very big evil grin!! )

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;---¥vsa----&gt;®
 
Nice post, Yvsa. I liked the quote about carrying a small knife and wishing for a big one -- but never the other way around. In most cases, better too much than too little.

Uncle Bill
 
Hi Clay:

That's exactly a point made by Cliff regarding his 20 inch AK -- two knives for one.

Uncle Bill
 
The kardas on those 20" inchers almost don't count as "small" knives!

Besides, you can never have too many knives...

PS I accidentally transposed the "o" and the "c" in "count" and got censored! Sorry -- hope I didn't offend anyone.
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Clay Fleischer
clay_fleischer@yahoo.com




[This message has been edited by CD Fleischer (edited 06 July 1999).]
 
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