How important is local knife regulations to what you EDC?

Here in texas any law limiting carrying is superseded by state law, and invalid. They know this and really don't enforce them.

All my carry knives comply with state law. But that is purely because it's what I've liked. At some point I'll get a double edged knife, like a Bowie. Just haven't done it yet.

Hate to disagree with you, but Texas does NOT have a supersedure law. There was a bill in the last legislative session that was designed to implement that, but it never got voted on. That's why San Antonio's ban on all locking folders, Corpus Christi's 3" limit on folders and it's ban on all fixed blades and Dalllas County's 4" limits (for certain areas/facilities) are still valid.
 
Hate to disagree with you, but Texas does NOT have a supersedure law. There was a bill in the last legislative session that was designed to implement that, but it never got voted on. That's why San Antonio's ban on all locking folders, Corpus Christi's 3" limit on folders and it's ban on all fixed blades and Dalllas County's 4" limits (for certain areas/facilities) are still valid.

Crap it's just for guns. Didn't realize that.
 
Hate to disagree with you, but Texas does NOT have a supersedure law. There was a bill in the last legislative session that was designed to implement that, but it never got voted on. That's why San Antonio's ban on all locking folders, Corpus Christi's 3" limit on folders and it's ban on all fixed blades and Dalllas County's 4" limits (for certain areas/facilities) are still valid.

Crap it's just for guns. Didn't realize that.
 
Crap it's just for guns. Didn't realize that.

That is (sadly) correct, local preemption on gun laws only. Last legislative session there was a bill that would have done so for knives but it did not get out of committee (largely because of procedural hurdles), at least we got the auto legalization passed.
 
That is (sadly) correct, local preemption on gun laws only. Last legislative session there was a bill that would have done so for knives but it did not get out of committee (largely because of procedural hurdles), at least we got the auto legalization passed.

Actually, it made it out of committee and onto the calendar. BUT..... it was the last item on the calendar. Never in the history of Texas, whether as a Republic, a State, a Confederate State, and a State again, has the last bill ever gotten to a vote. Never. Maybe that means next year we'll actually get a vote on it. :D
 
Actually, it made it out of committee and onto the calendar. BUT..... it was the last item on the calendar. Never in the history of Texas, whether as a Republic, a State, a Confederate State, and a State again, has the last bill ever gotten to a vote. Never. Maybe that means next year we'll actually get a vote on it. :D

Well, Dewhurst won't be in charge of the state Senate's schedule so at least that's something...

Although it's unfortunate that it didn't get a chance to go to a full vote (the preemption bill), the passage of the auto decriminalization bill was a good step in the right direction.
 
Never got to the Senate. It's always the House that slows things down. More of them that have special interests in manipulating/killing other bills which is why the last bills always die. They may or may not be controversial, in and of themselves, but they don't get voted on because of bills further up the food chain. Usually, (at least what has happened with many bills in the past) is that a bill that got on the calendar the previous session will get through the appropriate committee faster the second go-round and therefore get to the calendar sooner. That happened with the CHL. The first time it died, the second it didn't get passed, the third time it made it. Took 3 or 4 sessions to worm through. Got started by a lady who survived the Luby's (Killeen) massacre. She usually illegally carried, but she left her pistol in the car that day when she went in w/ her parents. IIRC, 1 or both of her parents were killed. Before someone threw a chair though a window for a pile of them to escape, she said she had 2-3 clear shots at the shooter, but didn't have a her weapon. She testified before Congress (DC) that she would never be unarmed again.
 
Never got to the Senate. It's always the House that slows things down. More of them that have special interests in manipulating/killing other bills which is why the last bills always die. They may or may not be controversial, in and of themselves, but they don't get voted on because of bills further up the food chain. Usually, (at least what has happened with many bills in the past) is that a bill that got on the calendar the previous session will get through the appropriate committee faster the second go-round and therefore get to the calendar sooner. That happened with the CHL. The first time it died, the second it didn't get passed, the third time it made it. Took 3 or 4 sessions to worm through. Got started by a lady who survived the Luby's (Killeen) massacre. She usually illegally carried, but she left her pistol in the car that day when she went in w/ her parents. IIRC, 1 or both of her parents were killed. Before someone threw a chair though a window for a pile of them to escape, she said she had 2-3 clear shots at the shooter, but didn't have a her weapon. She testified before Congress (DC) that she would never be unarmed again.

The first victim was local veterinarian Michael Griffith, 48, who ran to the driver's side of the pickup truck to offer assistance to the driver after the truck crashed through the window. Hennard also approached 32-year-old Suzanna Hupp and her parents. Hupp reached for her .38 revolver in her purse, only to remember she had left it in her vehicle to comply with the law. Texas law at the time required that concealed carry was not allowed in "public places". Her father Al, 71, rushed at Hennard in an attempt to subdue him but was fatally shot in the chest. A short time later, as Hupp was escaping, her mother Ursula, 67, was shot in the head and killed as she cradled her wounded husband.

During the incident, Hennard allowed a woman and her four-year-old child to leave. Another patron, Tommy Vaughn, threw himself through a plate-glass window, sustaining injuries, but by doing so he created an escape route for himself and other customers.

She carried legally, she left it in the car to stay legal.
 
Well I abide by my state's laws and have on occasion worn my Cold Steel Kukri to work to clear brush. Most of the time I have a Gayle Bradley in my pocket and a custom fixed blade by Hankins on my belt. There are advantages to living in Arizona :D
 
....... Texas law at the time required that concealed carry was not allowed in "public places". ,,,,,,
She carried legally, she left it in the car to stay legal.

I used the phrase "She usually illegally carried" deliberately. At the time, Texas did not allow for concealed carry under any circumstances. You could carry a handgun in your car, but it had to be concealed from public view.

At that time there was no such thing as legal concealed carry of a handgun "in public" unless you were a cop or had "special dispensation via the Department of Public Safety" which at the time meant most private citizens could carry a concealed weapon only "in private", i.e., on their own property.

From just after the civil war until 1995, when the CHL law was passed, ANY TIME a Texan carried a weapon, whether concealed or open-carry, off their own property, they were illegal, unless hunting or engaged in shooting exhibitions and competitions, which was open-carry only in those circumstances..

Up until a couple of months before the murders, Dr. Hubbard had been carrying it in her purse all the time, and therefore illegally carrying when getting out. She deliberately chose to take it out of her purse and leave it in the car starting only a couple of months before, which she told Congress was "the worst decision she had ever made". That she would rather be in prison with her parents alive than in compliance with the law.

One interesting excerpt from her testimony to congress---

“The police officers, several of them, were patients of mine. Several days later, they filled in the gaps. They said they were actually one building away at a conference, and in an odd twist of gun control fate, the hotel where they were having their conference, the manager there didn’t want them to be wearing their guns and potentially offending any of her clients or customers…So precious minutes were lost as they retrieved their guns from their locked cars."

Texas knife law is still that way - we have "legal knives" and "illegal knives". "Legal knives" are legal for carry "in public", whether concealed or open. Definition of a "legal knife" in Texas is blade less than 5.5 inches long and single edge. Any knife that meets those 2 criteria are legal to be carried in public in any manner. Any other knife/blade is "illegal" and may not be carried "in public" but may be carried on your own property (or property under your control - e.g., rent house, farm/ranch lease, etc). By case law (again, I don't remember which case) "property under your control", with respect to knife carry and at that time handguns as well, has allowed that your vehicle is considered to a valid control area.

This means that when I am wearing an "illegal" knife in Texas, while working around the main farm, I'm good. If I need to go to town to get gas, food, weed killer, etc, I can wear the knife in the truck but before I get out, I have to leave it behind. If I leave the farm to drive to our other farm 1/2 mile down the road, I'm good to go. This was also the law as it applied to open carry of handguns on your own property, AT THAT TIME.
 
Well, living in the EU, I tend to travel with a Case Peanut or Victorinox Cadet. Anything more menacing could be confiscated outside of my home country.

At home, I EDC a small Sebenza, as I feel that a longer blade would just waste pocket space, and I am not a big fan of visible carry...
 
I live in VA so I just can't conceal a fixed blade and I do know some cities have folding knife blade length laws but not the state so I honestly just carry whatever I want and make sure my fixed blades are never concealed.
 
I generally comply with the law regarding knives, though I will sometimes "bend the rules" for things that are not explicitly illegal, but might be based on the phrasing of the law. I do this far less now that I am older and have responsibilities that would be ruined by a criminal charge.

Some examples: I live in Maryland, where all folders are legal so long as they are not auto, and I can open carry anything I want except a handgun. This is enough to keep me happy regarding my EDC most of the time, as it is fairly forgiving. When I was younger I sometimes concealed carried a fixed blade of a utilitarian type. This is not illegal per se but rather a gray area. The law doesn't say fixed blades concealed are illegal, just "Dirks" and "bowie" knives, which my knife was neither. But it could be lumped in due to the vagueness of the law. In college I used to carry a sword cane, another gray area since it's neither a dirk, a bowie knife, nor "concealed" strictly speaking. But you could see how that would probably take some explaining if it were found by police. Lastly, these days I sometimes carry an expandable baton. No part of the law mentions batons in any way, but they could again possibly be considered a "dangerous weapon," though there is no caselaw to this effect and the cops I interviewed admitted I would have to do something criminally inclined for a charge to stick, or else it would be tossed for vagueness.
 
Aparently my local P.D thinks that carry at work and to and from there is legal but carrying around town is prohibited. But the actual city ordinances say otherwise, as well as the state laws :confused:
 
I don't go by the law. Not that i'm a bad guy but it really isn't a big deal. Even police have seen them and don't care. Now if i had a machete in my pants or something that might be different.
 
The first victim was local veterinarian Michael Griffith, 48, who ran to the driver's side of the pickup truck to offer assistance to the driver after the truck crashed through the window. Hennard also approached 32-year-old Suzanna Hupp and her parents. Hupp reached for her .38 revolver in her purse, only to remember she had left it in her vehicle to comply with the law.Texas law at the time required that concealed carry was not allowed in "public places". Her father Al, 71, rushed at Hennard in an attempt to subdue him but was fatally shot in the chest. A short time later, as Hupp was escaping, her mother Ursula, 67, was shot in the head and killed as she cradled her wounded husband.

During the incident, Hennard allowed a woman and her four-year-old child to leave. Another patron, Tommy Vaughn, threw himself through a plate-glass window, sustaining injuries, but by doing so he created an escape route for himself and other customers.

She carried legally, she left it in the car to stay legal.

That is an oversimplification of the law at the time...prior to 2007 TX law allowed for one to carry a concealed handgun in their car (and some other places) "while traveling". The problem was that they never really clearly defined what that meant (traveling) and the interpretation varied widely depending where it took place. In many rural counties, it was a pretty much permissive environment; in some cities it was the exact opposite. In places like Houston and Dallas, if you were found with a handgun in your car and didn't have a really solid story then it was pretty much a guaranteed trip to jail...The tide began to turn around 2005 when the Dallas County DA stopped accepting UCW cases involving simple possession in a vehicle without any other associated crimes. The Motorist Protection Act passed in the 2007 session and eliminated the "while traveling" language and basically made it legal to carry a concealed handgun in your car (and some other places) as long as you weren't involved in any other type of criminal activity...It effectively extended Castle Doctrine to your vehicle (and other places listed).

It is a bit amusing that so many people from other states think that TX is so wide open and unrestricted about guns...we have one of the most expensive and time involved processes for getting a CHL of any shall issue state, ban open carry of handguns (thankfully) and only sort of allow for open carry of long guns because of a poorly written phrase in the state constitution. If you want to see a really wide open state, look at AZ (that applies to knives too).
 
Cops and bad guys alike will be more concerned with my CCW Permit...

Contrary to popular belief, the majority of officers support the Second Amendment wholeheartedly. Criminals generally don't bother with CCWs, so someone who has one isn't generally much of a concern.

To add to what the other AZ guys said, I love our state and it's laws! :)
 
Individual perception is an interesting thing. Even though many people act in ways that violate the law, they don't think of themselves as "criminals". But the fact is, if the knife a person carries violates the letter of the law, then that person is committing a crime, and in the eyes of the law, that person is indeed a "criminal".

Just because WE think knife laws are silly and stupid, doesn't mean they won't be enforced. Nor does it mean that prosecutors won't prosecute to the full extent of the law. To us a pocket knife might be a simple, harmless tool, but a cop or prosecutor might look upon it as a "deadly weapon". In court, how WE define our knives is meaningless compared to how the prosecutor, and the letter of the law, defines our knives. We can say "it's just a tool", but if the knife meets the legal definition of a "deadly weapon", then that is how it will be perceived in court.

Whether or not an individual cop on the street arrests a person for carrying an illegal knife is up to that individual cop. All cops are different, some couldn't care less if your knife violates the letter of the law, but some might. The fact is, if you are carrying a knife that violates the letter of the law, you are giving any LEO who discovers your illegal knife a justifiable reason to arrest you. I have no trouble believing that most cops would let a respectable person slide for carrying an illegal knife, but it's still a gamble. It only takes one cop to decide to arrest you and take you to jail. It could be a rookie looking to impress their superiors, or some a-hole cop who looks for any reason to make an arrest, or a cop who doesn't like people carrying knives, or maybe just a cop who chooses to follow the letter of the law. Personally, I would prefer not to give LEO's any legal grounds to arrest me.

For anyone who thinks that an arrest for carrying an illegal knife is an insignificant matter with minor and laughable consequences, let me paint a picture of what can happen if you are arrested, and maybe convicted, of a "weapons" offense. And that's exactly what it would be- a weapons offense. You're not going to be charged with "possession of a tool", you're going to be charged with "possession of a deadly weapon".

If you are arrested you will be taken to jail, and believe me, jail is not set up for your convenience. Even if you can afford to make bail, you could be there all day waiting for the process to be completed. And depending on the time of your arrest, you might even have to spend the night (how much work can you afford to lose?). Bail can cost you hundreds or thousands of dollars. If you use a bail bondsman, you, or someone else, will have to give the bondsman an average of ten percent of the overall bail amount in cash, AND sign over collateral equal to the remainder of the bail amount (house, car, etc). The cash you give a bondsman is NOT REFUNDABLE, you will never get that money back. Can you afford bail? Can you provide collateral?

Can you afford a lawyer? Or are you going with a public defender?

If you can't make bail you might sit in jail for several months while your case slowly works it's way through the criminal justice system. Just like jail, the justice system does not operate for your convenience. How long can you sit in jail before you lose your job? If you aren't working, who will pay your rent, your mortgage, support your family, etc, etc? I knew guys in jail who lost their apartments while they were in jail and the landlord put all of their property on the street, while they sat in jail.

If you are convicted, even if you don't get more jail time, here's what can happen (even if it's a misdemeanor conviction)- You will very likely be required to pay thousands of dollars in fines and court costs. You will very likely be put on probation for multiple years (details of probation might vary from one state to another. here's what it's like in CA). And if you think probation is nothing, just a slap on the wrist, keep reading, because when you are on probation for a "weapons conviction" you will lose your right to possess ANY weapons, and that includes guns and non-essential knives ("essential" being kitchen knives). All non-essential knives would have to be removed from any area accessible to you. You would be required to either transfer ownership of any guns you own over to someone else who may legally possess firearms (not someone who lives in the same residence as you, the guns cannot be accessible to you in any way), or, if you don't have someone you can transfer ownership to, you will have to surrender them to the cops (if the guns are registered, the cops will know what guns you have). Of course, if you are convicted of a felony, then you will lose your 2nd amendment rights altogether.

While on probation, you will lose your 4th amendment rights (it's an automatic condition of probation). This means that you can be stopped and searched on the street by any cop, at any time, and without probable cause. Also, it means that the cops can enter and search your residence anytime they want without a warrant. And a conviction on a "weapons" charge might very well put you on the list for regular home searches by your probation officer.

While on probation you would not be allowed to leave your county or state without receiving permission from your probation officer. And to add to the expense of the whole matter, you would be required to pay probation fees.

And if you violate the terms of your probation in any way, like if you get caught in possession of a non-essential knife, you can be sent back to jail.

If you have a criminal conviction, getting that job you want might be difficult. Getting ANY job might be difficult (perspective employers might not want to hire someone with a "weapons" conviction). Getting into the military might be difficult with a criminal record.

And just think, all of that is very possible just for carrying a knife that violates the letter of the law. Just because you don't think you are committing a crime, don't assume that cops, and prosecutors will share your point of view (prosecutors love to get "weapons" convictions). You might get lucky, and a cop on the street might let you slide, but that's a hell of a gamble to take. We might look upon a knife as a "tool", but many in our society (including many with real power) might look upon a knife as a "deadly weapon".

Fortunately for me, where I live in San Diego, the knife laws are very permissive, so I can carry what I want in the manner I want and it's all legal.
I live in Massachusetts, which has some of the toughest anti-gun and anti-weapons laws in the nation. Illegal knife, under state law, is a switchblade, double-edged knife or ballistic knife that actually projects a blade similar to an airgun. Possession is legal even for these knives, but carrying them in public is a felony. That said, most knife arrests are basically "add-on" charges to something very serious, like murder, attempted murder or assault/battery w/dangerous weapon. As far as being arrested or locked up for strictly carrying a knife in public, there are many examples. Cities and towns in MA, especially Boston, Cambridge and a number of North Shore cities, have 2.5" blade-length rules for public carry. Violate them and risk arrest and a maximum $300 fine. The so-called Bartley-Fox gun law, which requires a mandatory 1-year minimum jail sentence for possessing or carrying a firearm without a license is largely a joke. Many criminals get arrested on gun charges twice or more in the same year! So much for our "tough" gun law. If the average person carries a concealed knife, legally or illegally, dresses well and maintains a good low-key appearance in public, the chances of a LEO finding the knife on them is remote, to say the least. Again, concealment technique is important. If I ever have to use my own EDC knife in self-defense, the "possession" charge is going to be the least of my worries. Also, MA has laws against "self-help" evictions. If you are in jail, hospital, etc. and you get evicted, the landlord must use the services of a bonded constable or deputy sheriff and your belongings must be moved to a bonded warehouse for safe storage. If the landlord tosses the tenant's belongings onto the street, the landlord is liable for any losses. That is the law here.
 
Contrary to popular belief, the majority of officers support the Second Amendment wholeheartedly. Criminals generally don't bother with CCWs, so someone who has one isn't generally much of a concern.

To add to what the other AZ guys said, I love our state and it's laws! :)

That generally is my experience as well, my older brother is a former city police officer and now an 1811, his view on law abiding citizens carrying is very supportive. I think that his stance on the issue is fairly indicative of most LEOs, at least in this part of the country. I don't recall ever meeting a LEO who was really dead-set against it (I'm talking about personal conversations I have had, not media sound bytes).
 
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