how is the spyderco perrin ppt ?

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hi, i am interested in the spyderco perrin ppt. anyone have this knife already? id love to hear some comments, and maybe even see some pics if anyone has any to share. how is the lockup on the knife?
 
Love it. Go over to the Manufacture/Spyderco forum and there is quite a bit of discussion about the PPT.
 
Very expensive for a Taiwan made knife .. Save yourself some cash and get a buck vantage pro. All the same materials ( s30v and g-10) but it's like half the price and made in the USA ...
 
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Flatlander1963 said:
Love it. Go over to the Manufacture/Spyderco forum and there is quite a bit of discussion about the PPT.
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Here is a thread started by member Reeek:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=748824&highlight=perrin+ppt
Another by member EnderWiggin
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=744649&highlight=perrin+ppt

The knife is awesome. It has an interesting bladeshape, heft, and feels great in the hand. It's very similar to a custom IMO. Hard to compare a Buck Vantage and this knife, the similarities begin and end with the steel and handle materials. You get what you pay for, this knife screams quality built.
 
I agree, great knife. location of where the knife is built has really nothing to do with its quality. I have bought american made knives which were total crap. PPT was designed by three french custom knife makers and the original custom version sells for over 350 euros (roughly 450usd). The spyderco version makes this knife accessible to all and building standards insure user quality and lifespan. Its not the first knife spyderco builds in Taiwan, try to have a tenacious built in the US and see what price you would have to sell it.
 
softrockrenegade said:
Very expensive for a Taiwan made knife .. Save yourself some cash and get a buck vantage select. All the same materials ( s30v and g-10) but it's like half the price and made in the USA ...
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Actually the S30V/G10 Vantage is the Pro. Buck offers three grades.
Pro, Avid, & Select. As a general rule the Pro has S30V/G10, the Avid has Sanvik 13C26/Dymondwood, and the Select is entry grade with 420HC/Nylon-glass. And its American-made.

From KC.com: The Vantage Pro is $60; The PPT is $147.
Is the PPT a better knife?...YES (I own both and like both a great deal)
Is the PPT 2.5 times better?...Absolutely NOT.

Like I said I own both and really like both. The PPT will not do anything better than the Vantage but then that applies to a whole host of knives.

Get what you can a) afford, b) what appeals to you, and c) what will do the tasks you need done.
 
My post was more to show that it can be done for less. If Buck cam make the vantage pro in the USA for one price why is a knife made from the same materials soo much more? Is the PPT better than a paramilitary? It's about the same price but made in Taiwan. Bottom line is I think spyderco is overpricing their over seas knives and itmouts a sour taste in my mouth.
 
PPT IS better than a Para, IMO. At least the two examples that I saw.

Quite apart from design, the PPT is better finished-slightly, but it is there. The PPT also has designer collab royalties to pay (to three people, no less).

I don't believe Spyderco chose to manufacture in Taiwan for cost reasons alone.

As to the knife itself, apart from origin of manufacture:

If you are not left-handed it is pretty good. The knife feels like an ergonomic dream, the G10 is nice and the Perrin-innovated liner/frame lock is a great concept. The clip is very deep carry, which some may like and some may not.

Did not buy or use, so not too sure about the blade, but it is positioned and profiled nicely. The lanyard is nice too.

As a lefty, though, it is a whole different story. Hell to open or unlock. The knife is fairly heavy as well.
 
softrockrenegade said:
My post was more to show that it can be done for less. If Buck cam make the vantage pro in the USA for one price why is a knife made from the same materials soo much more? Is the PPT better than a paramilitary? It's about the same price but made in Taiwan. Bottom line is I think spyderco is overpricing their over seas knives and itmouts a sour taste in my mouth.
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just about anything can be done for less. thats not always saying much however.

the paramilitary isnt a stainless steel framelock. the PPT is. and neither is the buck.

spyderco overpricing their overseas knives? pure rubbish when you look at their byrd/china spyderco. or a gayle bradley, chokwe, micheal walker zdp.

but, think whatever you want.
 
I didn't think I would like the PPT, but quickly changed my mind after handling one. EDCed it for over a month when it first came out. Very solid construction with perfect fit. The blade shape is a bit unusual, but very functional. What I liked the most was the handle, which I found to be very ergonomic and was really the reason it impressed me when I first handled it. What I liked the least was the clip, which kept getting stuck on things and bending, eventually breaking from one excessive bend. Spyderco sells replacement clips for $6. Something else that I liked very much was the lock. Overall, an excellent knife that keeps comming back to my EDC rotation.
 
Who in their right mind is comparing PPT with Vantage Pro? It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford. Let me tell you there's no comparison!! The PPT is absolutely gorgeous, solid and substantial in hand, F&F is second to none.
 
Yeah I'm kinda feeling my ppt but I haven't held a vantage so l wont compare the two
My advise is get what you want don't waste your time on forum hype and trying to keep up with what everyone else is thinking and getting.
 
I really like the finish on the PPT. I was sold on Taiwan made Spyderco's after the Sage I came out, if there wasn't a Taiwan stamp on it I would never know the difference between Golden, Japan, China or Taiwan made Spyderco's.

I think the PPT is on the heavier side and the pocket clip isn't my favorite so it doesn't see too much carry time for me but the knife overall is beautiful and very functional design.

I have some PPT pics for you:

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More pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cougar337/sets/72157612676371727/


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My PPT has kicked everything out of my pocket for the last month and a half. I even got the new Paramilitary 2 thinking it would be the EDC king, but the PPT kicks it in the balls every time. This thing is seriously cool.

I have yet to own anything from Spyderco that is as solidly built as the PPT. There are three steel pins with oversized torx screws that anchor everything together. The way the pins pass through the steel liners and steel backspacer just screams hard use and durability over the long haul.

Some people gripe about the weight being a huge turnoff. Not so much of an issue with me because the knife is very handle-heavy and just stays put in my hand. It works for me, but your mileage may vary.

I applaud the use of a steel framelock. Steel is going to have a higher wear resistance and lower maleability than Titanium, so I can be pretty confident that the framelock interface isn't going to wear out prematurely and cause blade play or slippage. Nor are there going to be weird random galling issues with a Ti-Steel lock interface. But my preference for steel-on-steel lockup is based on my own irrationally-held beliefs, so I don't want the Strider/Hinderer/Reeve crowds issuing a fatwah because I dissed Ti framelocks in general. All I'm trying to say is that the PPT lockup is VERY reassuring.

Of course, I can never leave well enough alone. But the way I look at it, Spyderco has given me the right framework to make my PPT my own without changing the essence of the knife. I polished all of the bead-blasted steel parts, got rid of the clip (as I do on almost all of my knives), radiused the spine a bit, and rounded off some of the sharp corners in the choil.

Overall, though, a total win!! I love this knife, and I'm actually kicking around the idea of buying a spare just in case it goes out of production any time soon (knock on wood that it doesn't).

-nate
 
robot37 said:
I applaud the use of a steel framelock. Steel is going to have a higher wear resistance and lower maleability than Titanium, so I can be pretty confident that the framelock interface isn't going to wear out prematurely and cause blade play or slippage. Nor are there going to be weird random galling issues with a Ti-Steel lock interface. But my preference for steel-on-steel lockup is based on my own irrationally-held beliefs, so I don't want the Strider/Hinderer/Reeve crowds issuing a fatwah because I dissed Ti framelocks in general. All I'm trying to say is that the PPT lockup is VERY reassuring.
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I don' t have a PPT (...for now, please don't discontinue it soon:p), but I also think that steel framelock is absolutely not a bad idea and maybe even better than titanium (for wear, for reliability/strength... we need a lot of testing).
For example I have an Alias 2 (excellent knife) and the titanium frame tends to leave a little titanium residue (easily removed with q-tip) on the base of the blade (lock area), but the frame of the Alias has also a recess to prevent the inside overtravel of the frame.
I also think that maybe a steel based framelock will wear better than a Titanium framelock, but the stickiness of titanium can maybe be a little advantage in lock safety.

I also have a large Sebenza and its framelock doesn't leave any residue to the blade, because as I understood properly CRK does a special treatment on the framelock to make it more wear resistant.

BTW I keep all my framelocks dry & clean on the lock face (I never put oil on the lock face & clean it if it is necessary), to maximize lock safety, I care for my knives, but I care more for my fingers:D
Both my Alias & my Sebenza are easy to close, no problem at all.

In general IMO the most important thing is general quality of the framelock, but I don't think that a steel framelock it's inferior to a titanium framelock.
There are pros & cons in both solutions.

@robot37
We need pictures of your pimped PPT;):D
 
When people dismiss Taiwan-made Spydercos, it cannot reasonably be because of any production imperfections. I have the Sage 1, the Chokwe, the Gayle Bradley and the Bushcraft; I also examined the Sage 2: all are quite simply perfectly made; definitely not less than the American or Japanese Spydercos; in fact the finish is just maybe even a notch above the other sources. (the Bushcraft had wood stabilisation issues which were not the fault of the Taiwan producer; his job was perfectly done)

Regarding the PPT: I did examine the prototype in Amsterdam some months ago and it was just as convincing as the above Taiwan-made Spydercos. The style is not really what I am looking for but quality should be above suspicion.

The Buck Vantage which was mentioned is very convincing and offers a great quality/price ratio. I do think however that the PPT is on another quality and precision level.
Is the PPT twice as good as the Buck? I would say no, as there are always diminishing returns. A Sebenza isn't 6 times better either! On the other hand, we knife nuts often don't mind to pay quite a bit more to get the ultimate 20% quality rise over affordable knives.
 
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