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How many of your daily tasks could be done with a SAK instead of your tactical knife?

nolan raborn said:
What is the big deal about SAK knives? This question could just as well be asked by replacing "SAK" with Case, Buck, or any of a hundred other knives. Sounds like we should not carry any other type of knife if what we want to cut can be cut with a SAK. As far as I can see a Swiss Army Knife is an odd gimmick knife that has a lot of other junk included along with a barely adequate blade. I received a SAK for Christmas last year and to this day I don't think I have cut a single thing with it. I have the Huntsman or whatever the name is and it is a cute knife but looks way to delicate to do any real work with. It looks like a neat present for a kid maybe, but I can't get serious about carrying one to really use.

Nolan


I have a difficult time understanding your viewpoint. It's one thing to claim you need a beefier blade and SAKs just don't fit your need, but to say they don't cut? Poppycock :D

For an odd gimmick, they've been around quite a few decades. For something that doesn't cut, I wonder why they easily outcut my shaving sharp, brand new Spyderco Delica on the majority of materials I use knifes on. The 'Junk' you refer to has an extreme variety of uses...saws are obvious, so are scissors, screw drivers definately come in handy, having a small blade lets you give each blade different angles, such as really low for the small and a bit higher for the big. Amazing how these junky toy knives have lasted people over 20 years without any problems.

The blade works fantastic on fruits, cardboard, string, making wood shavings, plastics etc. There are many things it can't handle because it isn't robust enough, but these things are few and far between compared to the variety of materials they effortlessly slice through. People carry them for a reason. They're superb cutter and the other functions can add a large amount of uses, sometimes surpassing the actual blade in how often they're used.

I think it's cute you claim all that, but admit you haven't even used the blade. Go cut up some carrots or bananas, or see how easily it glives through an empty milk jug, just gives you an idea of its cutting ability.
 
Sure. Probably 85-90% of my cutting now is done with a Queen Congress slipjoint. The D2 blades take a great edge and keeps it longer through heavier cutting than any stainless folder that I have ever tired. I still carry a larger tactical folder (lately an STR modified Spyderco Blue Rescue) for quick cuts, but any serious cutting around the office/server room the Conrgess gets all the work.
 
Joe Dirt said:
I just wondered how many of you do daily tasks with your "tactical" knife that could be done with no problems with a Swiss Army Knife, or even a slip-joint?

How many daily tasks? All of them. I carry a Swiss Tool a lot and it is one of the best knives/tools that I have ever bought. My Tac knife (Strider AR) is there just in case. My SAK is for daily tasks and my Tac knife is for the "Just in case" situations. I have probably used my bottle opener more than any other tool on there. :D I won't ever be without a SAK near by.
 
Just about everything I could ever need to cut on a daily basis (not to mention unscrew, saw, or scrape) can be handled with a SAK. That's why I carry a SAK in addition to my EDC knife ...

But my EDC knife is usually a DDR-3 with some filework on the backspine and a really beautiful set of cocobolo scales. I really like the look of it, and it fills the hand nicely. I can't say this about my SAK!

Cheers,

- Mike
 
Mentor said:
But my EDC knife is usually a DDR-3 with some filework on the backspine and a really beautiful set of cocobolo scales. I really like the look of it, and it fills the hand nicely. I can't say this about my SAK!

Some can...... :D

My EDC Victorinox Scientist ("stag"** handles)
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(**"stag" - actually ivory micarta scored to look like stag)

Compact in Maple Burl -
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Camper in Cocobolo and Carbon fiber -
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Dual-Sided Classic "TimeTraveler"
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Shield side is 18,000 year old Alaskan Mammoth and the lighter coloured flipside is 28,000 year old Siberian Mammoth.

and how well do SAK blades cut?
- please take a look at this thread -

Convexed Edge

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I think SAK's are darn good knives. I think that anyone who thinks that a SAK is junk or is a kids toy hasn't used a SAK.

I used to think the same way until I cought the SAK bug and decided to carry one for a week. Now they are almost all I carry.

They are far from junk and they will outcut most knives around. The other tools are not gimmicks. They are real actual useful tools.

:)

To each his/her own I guess. :)
 
Wow, UnknownVT, those are some beautiful knives. The maple burl is particularly nice. I think I'll have to look into one of those! The option of having a SAK with something other than a red plastic handle (not that there's anything wrong with that) is very attractive.

All the best,

- Mike
 
For day to day stuff, I carry a SAK "Locksmith" which has a large cutting blade for a SAK. I find the smaller ones adequate, but don't have enough gusto when you really need to cut something more substantial.

I carry multiple knives outdoors in hiking or hunting situations. The SAK would work for most tasks and I use it, but sometimes a heavier knife is needed. I can't see trying to split wood with a SAK.

I am also not particularly pre-disposed to choosing a "tactical knife" for carry. I really have no intention of getting into a knife fight or for that matter waving around a knife for any reason. I take a gun to the knife fight if it comes to feeling that I have to defend myself and can not escape... well you just have to make up your mind. I asked a LEO recently about facing a knife yielding person... his response... if he doesn't drop it immediately when I order him to, I'll shoot him. Deadly force is deadly force and I don't want to get sliced up or worse just to have a "fair fight".
 
Opening Mail - $20 SAK
Cutting Down Boxes - $20 SAK
Slicing Through Packaging - $20 SAK

The Happiness I feel when using my oversize Tactical Knives - Priceless! ;)
 
Joe Dirt said:
I think SAK's are darn good knives. I think that anyone who thinks that a SAK is junk or is a kids toy hasn't used a SAK.

I have hollow ground blades which are 66 HRC and make the blade on a SAK look like a thick splitting wedge in comparison, the cutting ability is really low from that point of view as is ease of sharpening and edge retention. I know many carpenters and tradesmen that won't use them because the blades are too thin and soft and can not stand up to the type of cutting they do. They would consider SAK's to be more toys than actual tools.

Different people have differet uses and these demand different blades. SAK's in general cut well compared to many modern tactical folders which are less like knives and more like utility tools. SAK's also work well for light cutting and the tools can be fairly versatile. However if you work with full size and quality versions of the same tools on a regular basis you are not going to be much impressed with a SAK.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
SAK's also work well for light cutting and the tools can be fairly versatile. However if you work with full size and quality versions of the same tools on a regular basis you are not going to be much impressed with a SAK.

Cliff always help to put things into context.

As many know I am a SAK enthusiast -
BUT I would absolutely agree with Cliff that the SAK tools are not going to be the "best" especially when compared to the full sized quality tool.

However.....

They are probably some of the "best" one can easily carry in the pocket on a daily basis :D

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I build racecars. When I need an AC evaporator out, I don't take the dash half apart to properly remove it. It turns into a 5 hour job on some cars just to remove enough to get to the small bolts on the back of it.

I usually stab a Strider fixed blade in there and chop and pry high density plastic and aluminum until I can rip the thing out in pieces. Hell, I don't need it again.

I use knives for this type of thing A LOT more than cutting tape or what not. I rip my mail open with my finger despite having at least 3 knives within reach. I don't use knives cause I want to, I use them cause I have to.

So no, I couldn't use a SAK for very many of my knife needs. Sorry.
 
What kind of steel do the SAK's use? I have the Soldier model & it seems to do everyday cutting chores ok. The steel is nowhere close to my Queen D2 Sodbuster though. Of course I am comparing Apples to Oranges..hehheh:D
 
As many people have said and will continue to say, knife choice really depends on what your cutting tasks are. As previously mentioned in this thread, a box cutter could do what a lot of folks whip out something big and expensive for. Don't get me wrong, I love good quality knives and have never been one to buy el cheapos, even as a young boy collecting knives. SAKs are not junk knives, and for the money are very tough to beat. I think a lot of non-SAK people associate SAKs with the huge toolbox models and see them as being silly or gimmicks. As much as I enjoy carrying and using a smaller SAK (tinker, soldier, etc.), I don't find much use for the larger SAKs myself. Doesn't mean they're junk, but not what I'd put on my belt or in my pocket. I EDC and every day use a Leatherman Supertool - some folks think that multi-tools are junk and that you should always grab a "real" tool instead of toting a 15-in-1 do it all critter on your belt. There are times when my multi-tool can't do the job, but there are a lot more times when my toolbox is on the ground 12ft below me and not in the ceiling where I'm tangled in wires and cables and need some quick cutters, or my screwdriver is propping a door open and I need to take an electric strike out of a door frame real quick. So, my long winded point is, no SAKs are not junk and people aren't nerds or McGyvers wanna-be's for carrying them. Just because somebody has a quick opening tactical in their back pocket doesn't necessarily mean they're looking for a fight or pretending they're a member of the Green Berets - that just happens to be what they like to carry. What bugs me more than anything else is when I see a grown man whip out a set of car keys to "cut" something because they can't see the need for carrying a knife.
 
UnknownVT said:
They are probably some of the "best" one can easily carry in the pocket on a daily basis

For most people, however consider that tradesmen tend to have high quality tools on them when they do need them so have little use for SAK's, which are similar to mini-survival kits, just something that you can always almost have.

The steel is 0.52% carbon, 15% chromium, 0.5% molydenum, 0.45% manganese and 0.6% silicon. Austenized at 1040°C and tempered at 160°C for a hardness of RC 56, likely 58/59 could be obtained with oil/cold treatment.

It is very close to the composition of 12C27mod, one of the well respected stainless steels commonly used on scandinavian blades which is usually ran harder at 57/58 HC.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
The steel is 0.52% carbon, 15% chromium, 0.5% molydenum, 0.45% manganese and 0.6% silicon. Austenized at 1040°C and tempered at 160°C for a hardness of RC 56, likely 58/59 could be obtained with oil/cold treatment.
It is very close to the composition of 12C27mod, one of the well respected stainless steels commonly used on scandinavian blades which is usually ran harder at 57/58 HC.

Cliff gave the blade steel
(with correction that 160degC is for the tempering temperature) -

over at www.pizzini.at an Austrian SAK dealer - their Steelinfo page -
QUOTE:
The woodsaw, scissors and nail files have a hardness of RC 53, the screwdriver, tin opener and awl a hardness of RC 52, and the corkscrew and springs RC 49.
*​
The metal saw and file, in addition to the special case hardening, are also subjected to a hard chromium plating process so that iron and steel can also be filed und cut.
.....
Info by Victorinox
UNQUOTE

Often I'll use the in-body Phillips screwdriver on my Victorinox SAK from choice, and not just because it's in my pocket -
because it can be used both at 90deg (for more torque), and in-line for faster turning - the head also seems to fit real well.....

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For me, the value in SAK's is all their non-knife tools. The knives and steel used are marginal at best, it makes a big difference in my daily tasks. They are handy for opening beers and cans, but for cutting, I'll take something else, unless I don't have something else.

The lack of a pocket clip is also annoying. I don't like having heavy knives in my pockets. I fully agree with Evolute.
 
sodak said:
For me, the value in SAK's is all their non-knife tools. The knives and steel used are marginal at best, it makes a big difference in my daily tasks. They are handy for opening beers and cans, but for cutting, I'll take something else, unless I don't have something else.

The lack of a pocket clip is also annoying. I don't like having heavy knives in my pockets. I fully agree with Evolute.


Sounds like you should carry a Micra on your keys. Fills those needs without the need to "carry" it. Does for me anyway.

edit: in addition to a REAL knife of course.
 
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