How much does Busse Combat gets from this?

[Cabra]

I mentioned this in other tread; it really makes me angry people in Europe selling the SAR8 SE for almost two and half times the price, and what does Busse Combat gets form that? NOTHING! This is not fare for Busse.
Not even if you pay all the import taxes in Europe you will pay as much! I mean, the knife stills in the official web page for $487.00
Let me explain my self: the only thing this does to the market it ruin the prices, if you speculate with something like that the people that are interested in buying good quality knives will buy crap because the good ones are over priced, and I THINK this brings a bad image to the company as well because only “the rich” will be able to buy a Busse.
Yes, it makes me angry because I love Busse Combat knives and no greedy ********!! will stop me from buying them.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

so buy from the factory. I never pay inflated prices.

 

[silverbullets]

It is supply and demand, part of Jerry's marketing genious. Take Bark River knives, it is fun to collect them, one of the things I like about them is I can buy what I want when I want it but when it comes time to sell them you will be lucky to make your money back. Part of the Busse lure is that I know I will make my money back if not a profit and if someone is willing to pay top dollar than what can you say. It makes them more of an investment.

 

[Cabra]

so buy from the factory. I never pay inflated prices.

 

[steelnut]

I am sure the import tariff was +25%:thumbdn:

 

[Liu Kang]

so if that's the case, why doesn't everyone over there just buy right from the company? I don't get it

 

[Ankerson]

I buy from Busse when I can, other than a few things I really want and don't mind paying for.

 

[steelnut]

why doesn't everyone over there just buy right from the company?

Someone took the risk to import it from another country,
High shipping and tariffs, chance of loss, not to mention time and effort
Capitalism at it's best

 

[Cabra]

so if that's the case, why doesn't everyone over there just buy right from the company? I don't get it

That's a question I can't answer cuz I don't know. I buy from the company, that's why it makes me angry some one is fooling people that do not know how this works.

 

[Cabra]

Someone took the risk to import it from another country,
High shipping and tariffs, chance of loss, not to mention time and effort
Capitalism at it's best

Is not the case, for real, it is hard to loose a package in the mail. And taxes will be 29% of the total cost including shipping. Shipping is about $45.00 including tracking code.

 

[monsterdog]

so if that's the case, why doesn't everyone over there just buy right from the company? I don't get it

Because once the knife passes through customs, insanely high import fees and sales taxes gets tagged onto it, and unless you pay it, you won't get your knife. With shipping this probably gets close to at least a 150% markup (or more, depending on the country it was imported to, sell it again to another coutry, and you can add the markup for that country as well). Its no doubt being sold to people who are not aware they are available from the company store (or that there is a company store).

The net profit is probably not greater than what you get when you sell a Busse on the exchange here.

 

[Tree Herder V]

When I buy a knife from US, to the price of the knife I have to add: cost of shipping (miniumu 25$), custom fees (8% of the value of the knife) and value added tax (22 % of the value of the knife), that makes the knives more than 30% more expensive. Life is tough for European Hogs, but that's the way it is. Busses are still worth it. :thumbup:

 

[steelnut]

Cabra, does it not give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing what a great purchase you have made?
It is already worth double in your neck of the woods and you should be patting yourself on the back for being smart.
If no one had actually sold one for double, we would not know what it was worth
The way I see it, they may have did you a favor

 

[Jaxx]

I mentioned this in other tread; it really makes me angry people in Europe selling the SAR8 SE for almost two and half times the price, and what does Busse Combat gets form that? NOTHING! This is not fare for Busse.
Not even if you pay all the import taxes in Europe you will pay as much! I mean, the knife stills in the official web page for $487.00
Let me explain my self: the only thing this does to the market it ruin the prices, if you speculate with something like that the people that are interested in buying good quality knives will buy crap because the good ones are over priced, and I THINK this brings a bad image to the company as well because only “the rich” will be able to buy a Busse.
Yes, it makes me angry because I love Busse Combat knives and no greedy ********!! will stop me from buying them.

It does you no good to get angry over this. Busse makes what they want to make off of each knife that they sell or they'd raise the price. Others who sell Busse knives, but aren't affiliated with Busse certainly won't hurt Busse's image... But they might hurt their own.

The Internet is accessible to all. If they didn't want to pay higher prices, then they'd look into finding Busse's for less straight from Wauseon. What I see for you is a unique situation... In your shoes, I'd consider buying up a bunch of SAR-8's and severely undercutting everyone else selling these in the secondary market over there while still making a tidy, but not grossly overinflated profit for which to put towards my own stash of INFI...

Either this or educate the Buyers to the option of buying straight from Busse or the secondary market here on BF, since even our prices on the X are considerably less than what you're talking about.

...But there's no point getting angry.

 

[dcjs]

Busse Combat's business model does not exactly encourage retailers abroad to carry their knives, so it's up to every single customer to do the import. That means paying for shipping, paying duty (8,5% on the overall cost, including shipping cost), then importation VAT (19% on the overall cost, including shipping cost AND duty). At this point there's a ~30% markup on cost+shipping.
Now in order to even get your package (and pay all those fees) you have to pick it up at the customs office which may be more or less easy to reach, and don't think I could find out online right now if my nearest customs office is even open on saturdays, so that means non-students would have to take at least half a day off to even pick up anything there, or have the postal service do it - for additional fees.
So, it's not just the money, but also the "fun" involved that makes it seem fairly attractive for some people to buy on the secondary market at somewhat inflated prices. Busse Combat's business model is in part based on direct ordering, limited availability and the hype that goes along with that, so there's no point in complaining that this drives up the prices. As far as I know, the german Busse dealer gave up years ago because he didn't receive the necessary product to sustain his business. If popular and practical models were offered consistently over a longer period of time and delivered to stocking dealers, people could buy them at more reasonable prices. Since this is not the case and business seems to go well for Busse, the prices are what they are, determined by erratic supply and demand.

If it wasn't for import hassles , I'd probably have ordered a BWM.

 

[LMT66]

Sounds like half the battle is the result of the big Toll Booth the EU has for imported goods.

 

[dcjs]

Sounds like half the battle is the result of the big Toll Booth the EU has for imported goods.

If I remember correctly, the EU raised duty fees on fixed blade knives(!) as a response to raised US fees on steel imports years ago. This is not a one-way-road and there's no reason to blame specific countries.

 

[Cabra]

Cabra, does it not give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing what a great purchase you have made?
It is already worth double in your neck of the woods and you should be patting yourself on the back for being smart.
If no one had actually sold one for double, we would not know what it was worth
The way I see it, they may have did you a favor

He does not make me a favor and never will, he just makes me angry cuz I love Busse, but you are right, I love the trill every time I open a box and has a Busse in it, best knowing that if I have it in my hands it is worth every cent.

It does you no good to get angry over this. Busse makes what they want to make off of each knife that they sell or they'd raise the price. Others who sell Busse knives, but aren't affiliated with Busse certainly won't hurt Busse's image... But they might hurt their own.

The Internet is accessible to all. If they didn't want to pay higher prices, then they'd look into finding Busse's for less straight from Wauseon. What I see for you is a unique situation... In your shoes, I'd consider buying up a bunch of SAR-8's and severely undercutting everyone else selling these in the secondary market over there while still making a tidy, but not grossly overinflated profit for which to put towards my own stash of INFI...

Either this or educate the Buyers to the option of buying straight from Busse or the secondary market here on BF, since even our prices on the X are considerably less than what you're talking about.

...But there's no point getting angry.

Thanks man!

Busse Combat's business model does not exactly encourage retailers abroad to carry their knives, so it's up to every single customer to do the import. That means paying for shipping, paying duty (8,5% on the overall cost, including shipping cost), then importation VAT (19% on the overall cost, including shipping cost AND duty). At this point there's a ~30% markup on cost+shipping.
Now in order to even get your package (and pay all those fees) you have to pick it up at the customs office which may be more or less easy to reach, and don't think I could find out online right now if my nearest customs office is even open on saturdays, so that means non-students would have to take at least half a day off to even pick up anything there, or have the postal service do it - for additional fees.
So, it's not just the money, but also the "fun" involved that makes it seem fairly attractive for some people to buy on the secondary market at somewhat inflated prices. Busse Combat's business model is in part based on direct ordering, limited availability and the hype that goes along with that, so there's no point in complaining that this drives up the prices. As far as I know, the german Busse dealer gave up years ago because he didn't receive the necessary product to sustain his business. If popular and practical models were offered consistently over a longer period of time and delivered to stocking dealers, people could buy them at more reasonable prices. Since this is not the case and business seems to go well for Busse, the prices are what they are, determined by erratic supply and demand.

If it wasn't for import hassles , I'd probably have ordered a BWM.

Sorry I don't agree, the way of business of Busse is what it makes this company what it is, one of the best producers of one of the best knives of all times. I am not talking about prices +30% (that I will pay if I want to get a Busse in Europe) I am talking about two and half times more.

The point I'm trying to make is that these people are greedy, that's all.

 

[ikkyo]

Busse Combat's business model does not exactly encourage retailers abroad to carry their knives, so it's up to every single customer to do the import. That means paying for shipping, paying duty (8,5% on the overall cost, including shipping cost), then importation VAT (19% on the overall cost, including shipping cost AND duty). At this point there's a ~30% markup on cost+shipping.
Now in order to even get your package (and pay all those fees) you have to pick it up at the customs office which may be more or less easy to reach, and don't think I could find out online right now if my nearest customs office is even open on saturdays, so that means non-students would have to take at least half a day off to even pick up anything there, or have the postal service do it - for additional fees.
So, it's not just the money, but also the "fun" involved that makes it seem fairly attractive for some people to buy on the secondary market at somewhat inflated prices. Busse Combat's business model is in part based on direct ordering, limited availability and the hype that goes along with that, so there's no point in complaining that this drives up the prices. As far as I know, the german Busse dealer gave up years ago because he didn't receive the necessary product to sustain his business. If popular and practical models were offered consistently over a longer period of time and delivered to stocking dealers, people could buy them at more reasonable prices. Since this is not the case and business seems to go well for Busse, the prices are what they are, determined by erratic supply and demand.

If it wasn't for import hassles , I'd probably have ordered a BWM.

woot hassles?!

I've never experienced smoother service than Busse Combat gives , when ordering directly from the factory.
As for payin' the fees - it just how it is. (if it comes by EMS it could even slip through the customs...)
(edit: my BWM was here in Hu less than a week it sat one week at the post till delivery.)

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

This is not a one-way-road and there's no reason to blame specific countries.

Yes there is. Blame any country that rips you off and pockets your money they already taxed, when you buy something. If I order something from Europe, I do not have to pay any fees or taxes.