How much don't we need?

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In the past five months plus that I've been using the peanut as an edc pocket knife, it's been a learning experience as well as a sort awakening in what we don't need to get by. Being a blue collar working man my whole life, I've needed a pocket knife almost everyday in both the machine shop I worked in, or the construction sites I was on while in the army engineers. Cutting open boxes of parts to be modified, cutting marline, opening bags of cement, whittling survey stakes, cutting two sided tape for vise jaws, whatever. A sharp cutting tool was a needed item. Not to mention growing up in an era where if a man had pants on, there was a pocket knife in there some place. Usually a Buck 301 stockman.

So many times in my youth, I'd see the old guys with the pen knife, and I'd wonder why they were carrying such a tiny little joke of a knife. The joke was on me. Only I had to live long enough to become an old man myself, to find out what they had found out. It's a matter of what we don't need. Or, that there is a very large gap between perception and reality. The fantacies of youth and the real world.

Now that I'm a retired social security senior citizen, I have more recreation time on my hands than in my whole life. Fishing, canoeing, camping, woods rambling, shooting, and working around the house supporting the better half in her gardening ambitions. And I have more need of a sharp cutting tool in my pocket than ever before. Yet, I am enjoying my leasure time these days with a 2 inch bladed pocket knife bearing the brunt of the cutting jobs that come up. I find that the humble little Case peanut does most all I need of a pocket knife. It's been a lesson in life.

I watched my father for years get by very well with his little Case peanut, and wondered how he did it. I was too young back then to really appreciate how he did it. Finesse over brawn. The way of the surgeon over the butcher. If ever there was a man who was a teacher of real life, my dad was him. I never knew the man to engage in ego in any matter except for his car. He loved that big Pontiac Star Chief with the strait 8 engine. Yet his choice of guns and knives were the Colt Woodsman .22 auto and the Case peanut. He loved camping, and took the family out many times. He loved to fish, hike, and revered nature, yet didn't hunt. A two inch blade seemed to be all he really needed.

Many years later, after he had passed away, I had his little Case sitting on top of my dresser. About this same time, I was observing my better half torturing a Victorinox Classic. I never expected the tiny thing to last her more than a week or two at most. Her company got a bunch of them embossed with their logo, and Karen brought one home for me to see. Only a woman could abuse a piece of gear in a way that makes a man cringe with horror. But much to my huge surprise, the tiny little classic didn't break, but kept on doing what ever job she put it to. In time, impressed with it's ability to stand up to the abuse heaped on it. I put one on my keyring to experiment. What I found out is that we don't really need what we think we need. Our wants and needs get mixed up sometimes.

It's okay to collect something because you like it, whatever "it" is, but be wary of getting tho the point of thinking that your really need it. Some people collect stamps, others collect coins. Some us collect knives. To me and my way of thinking, at least knives have a real use. It's awfully hard to open a package with a stamp, or slice up your dinner with a coin. But how much knife do we really need in our modern suburban life? Are we going to be skinning a buffalo in the office cubicle, or be attacked by wild injuns while waiting for the commuter train?

Times are changing, no matter if we like it or not. Political correctness is here to stay, and we have to live with it. Also like it or not, we are the tiny, maybe 1% minority of society. The knife freaks. The rest of society already looks a bit funny at us, so in effect we all are the ambassadors of our obsession. How much knife do we really need in our daily walking around suburbia lives? And when do we practice a little restraint and taste?

Carl.
 
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Carl..

I'm 42 years old and just recently came to the same conclusion...I recently aquired a nice Case Jack knife that was previously my father in laws. A two bladed little guy that now has sentimental value...I also work in a machine shop and use a knife daily....That little case handles day to day tasks just as well as my usual lock blades that I've been carrying for most of my life...I always carried a buck110 when I was younger and then evolved into the Gerber/kershaw models...Last three years I've lived with a S&W assisted opener about the size of a Buck110....

Also changed my daily carry to a S&W 342 airweight titanium model thats one of the lightest 38s made,,I believe its 12 or 13 oz loaded...Slowly lightening the load the older I get..

CD
 
Very well said.
I feel sometimes the same way. And not only about knives. My personal wants in very many respects move from what everybody like towards what I like and what is convenient for me. That is a disturbing development... :D
Smaller knives are so much more convenient in so many ways. It is really worthwhile to learn how to get by without bulky heavy blade. Not for the society - for your own comfort.
I have already moved from Endura and Grip to Spyderco Stretch. And I think now and then about Ti-Mag - I remember it was very convenient as EDS...
 
Good point, and good post Jackknife. I currently carry three knives on me everyday. Although one of them is a smaller Leatherman tool, that happens to have a knife blade. Of the other two, one is a larger, single blade folder, while the other is a slipjoint folder. I've written many times how I could get by with nothing else but that little slippy. And I could! But I find that I just get satisfaction from carrying that larger folder, and from knowing that I have it in my pocket. Whichever one I choose to carry, it has a foldover, deep carry pocket clip that puts the entire knife into my pocket, so that it is unseen except for the clip, which I cover to get rid of the shiny it has.

I don't really know if the satisfaction I get is from thinking I have something defensive in my pocket or not. There have been times that I've walked across a dark parking lot in unfamiliar places, and carried the knife in my hand, just to have it if needed. But I can tell you that the last thing I want to get involved in is a fight where knives are present, guess though that sometimes you don't get to call the shots. Luckily I've never been involved in a knife fight. I know I do get a lot of satisfaction from showing the knife to friends who understand a knife and my passion for knives, have knives themselves, and use those knives, but are not as into knives as many of us are.

I'm 55 years old, and have been "into" knives from a single digit age. I just don't see myself changing from what and how I carry anytime soon. But again, you have some excellent points!:thumbup::)
 
You make great points, and I agree with you that a 2 inch blade is all you need for about 95% of tasks that your average joe is likely to come across. Just about the only time I really need anything longer than about 3 inches is when I'm cutting a sub or a thick sandwich in half.
 
Well, of course we can even do without a knife. Things will just be a little more inconvenient. Being in a rural area in a knife culture country, it was kinda obligatory to carry a bali ever since I was in college. I discovered then that I might need to cut some things but that I didn't really need to carry that large a knife. Carried it anyway.

Some time ago, I started to build a farm from scratch and because it was in a remote area we had only the tools we could carry on our backs. It was during this time that a knife, in fact a bolo was really an essential tool for me and for the guys who helped me process wood and bamboo to construct shelter and various fences to prevent any domestic or wild animals from getting to my plants.

We sold the farm last year and have since moved on to more town centered activities and once again, I need to find excuses for using my knives. I can probably get by with the honeybee that I have on my keys but I carry 3 or 4 knives. A couple are there to be used only for serious social purposes. The rest are for whatever stuff needs to be cut.
 
Good post, I also find that I can pretty much get by with the Vic Cadet on my key ring, but I just like using what I have in my pocket for that day, no I don't need to use a bigger knife I just like to.
 
I recognise drifting towards smaller and more subdued looking knives.

This has to do with realising that a smaller knife can do most of the tasks in my town life, and that people tend to frown upon knives in general.

My 'Herder' slipjoint and Opinel that I've had since my teens, still see EDC time and give me a lot of satisfaction.

I've never been into the 'tactical' knives, but even my RAT 1 folder is starting to feel like an overkill.

Lately I started to EDC a Bucklite Max Small Lockback Folder (2-3/4" Blade). This for me is the best of both worlds: the very light (1.4 ounces!) and slender form factor, convenience of a pocket clip, the (relative) safety of a backlock and being a very good slicer (after I reprofiled it, it cuts like a scalpel).
 
My dad used to say to me, "You can catch a large fish with a small hook, but you can't catch a small fish with a large hook." Knives are a bit different than fish hooks, but the point remains that much of what we do in the city can be accomplished with a small pocket knife.

That said, as a contractor I find the 3.5" blade length to be the most useful size for a work knife, for me. It has enough reach to get in tight spaces but still enough control to be precise with the point. For clearing brush there are machetes, and kitchen knives can benefit by more length for certain tasks. Folding blades under 2.5" are not very convenient for food prep, so the Victorinox Tinker with a larger and smaller blade is ideally sized for the mix of tasks most city dwellers encounter.
 
If a traditional knife had a pocket clip and was able to be one-hand-opened it'd be all I'd need. An example would be yesterday while moving our Jetfloat docks around at work A line got snagged on the down river end on some dock hardware. I would have been unable to get most traditional knives (especially a peanut) out, opened and cutting in time for the docks not to hault and knock the pull boat out of position. As much as I love my buck 112 I'm glad I had my tasman salt with me yesterday as with my muddy cold hands I either would have dropped it or cut myself trying to get it open.

For my activities I could get by with a 3" combo edge, clippable, one hand opening folder 100% of the time and would tend to think that would suit a larger portion of the country/knife enthusiasts. I'd be a very happy guy if society would ok my carrying my esee/rc3 everywhere as that is handy for everything.

As many CCW guys like to say, its not about needing it everytime you leave, its about having it that one time you go out your door... Just happens that for some of us emergency cutting happens more frequently.
 
Sitting here looking at my gigantic ZT0200......contemplating....do I really need this big tank of a knife?








Yep :D
 
If concessions to political correctness continue, eventually, even peanut-sized knives will be deemed unacceptable. I do agree with restraint, but carry what you like.
 
Doesn't sound like your old man was into knives at all. You come across as someone that doesn't sound interested in knives.
 
Ever since I was young I've always carried 3"+ knives so those seem the norm to me. I do carry a small 2" blade for use around the general public because a recon 1 is "scary"
 
This is a very interesting topic.
To me, the main point is understanding that there is a difference between what we need and what we like.
What we actually need, is usually way less than what we carry, or what we pretend that we need.
There is nothing wrong in carrying even 4 or 5 knives. Some people like to do that, and it's perfectly fine. I just sometimes get sad when someone tries to convince me that they actually need 3 knives on themselves, since I believe that one single blade of no more than 3" can handle any task (except for outdoors/woods).
There is no shame in liking knives and carrying it for the only reason that we like to.
Personally, I'm with Carl. A slipjoint or a SAK or an Opinel #7 is all I need, all I use, and therefore, all I carry.
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I hear what you're saying Carl , I've been thinking myself too but more on the line of mindlessly consuming 'just to have it'. I've been getting into smaller blades lately too and although my main loves are of the more modern 'tactical' knives , I have always had a deep appreciation for the good 'ol American slipjoint.
In the way that a bunch of old guys sittin' around the oak barrel in front of the general store might peel their apple or whittle a toy for their grandson..... but ! those days are long gone in my neck of the woods and to feel that nostaligic way is just fooling myself that I live in such a gentle world , because I don't.
I live in a crime infested city where in ten minutes of driving I can observe more gang members than one would like to see in a lifetime, thus my choice of carry has to be able to do several things , one of which is the grim yet real possibility of self defense.
I'm no youngster anymore , just turned 45 last week but I do recall simpler times , at least where I live...

As far as political correctness is concerned , I have ignored this haggish of a belief system since it's vile inception and will continue to do so. Society will never dictate what I carry or own , never. I would rather shamble off into the wilds and take my chances than to give in to the mamby pamby and weak-hearted.

My current knives of choice to carry are an older and smaller Toothpick which I have been told on many occassions , "has a wicked looking blade" , as well as a Kershaw Blur assisted opener , all black , tanto , semi-serrated , I love both knives a lot , equally. To me a knife is a tool that I personally would rather not live without , there is not a day in my adult life where I have not had a knife of some sort within reach and that will never change regardless of which way this so called civilization chooses to mutate.\

I promise two things, one - I will never give up on my beliefs , two - I will forever go against the grain and smile while doing so. I am polite , well mannered and thoughful but I do have claws , never mistake my kindness for weakness. :)

All that said , one of my hopes in my world of knives is for a sweet , older , single bladed slipjoint. The same kind an old gent might use to peel an apple while sittin' around the oak barrel.


tostig
 
If you feel a little extravagant in your knife carry choices, whatever you do, don't look at the videos on youtube of indiginous and aboriginal people and what they use. One knife here might cost the same as the collection of a whole village. I've been carrying a Kudu for a while now, and haven't felt underknifed, though admittedly, its sort of a long blade.
 
One of the advantages of being a 'senior', is that you can tell 'political correctness' to take a hike. I'll carry what I like, when I like and anyone that tells me otherwise, I'll have words with. I grew up with a knife in my pocket and by God, I'll die with a knife in my pocket. I'll be dipped if I allow some metrosexual pussy, dictate what I can and cannot do. But, that is just me. ;)
 
One of the advantages of being a 'senior', is that you can tell 'political correctness' to take a hike. I'll carry what I like, when I like and anyone that tells me otherwise, I'll have words with. I grew up with a knife in my pocket and by God, I'll die with a knife in my pocket. I'll be dipped if I allow some metrosexual pussy, dictate what I can and cannot do. But, that is just me. ;)

Amen~!
 
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