How much don't we need?

Unfortunately, it's not "just you." Carrying a knife that's appropriate to your surroundings isn't so much politically correct as it is mature, considerate, and just plain sensible as a survival tactic in a changing society. If you and your ilk manage to spook the herd often enough with your (often needlessly) oversized bladed tools, those "metrosexual pussies" will pass legislation that can include confiscation, limited sales, $tiff fines and/or throwing your (and mine, and every other knife user's) ass in jail for carrying a so-called deadly concealed weapon, just as they have in so many other countries, and all your faux-tough "words" will get you exactly nowhere.

Relax there chief....

Nobody said anything about carrying a Bowie into a cocktail and shrimp party or going out of their way to worry some frail-heart. APF is doing his part in not giving in to the types of critters that faint at the mere sight of a box-cutter.
There is no converting these types of people , there is no reasoning with them , they are what they are and always will be. Scared of everything animate and inanimate , which is why they just love ridiculous Simon Says laws to make themselves feel safer.
It is the herd mentality gone awary and anything that even smells like a canine frightens them to no end.

I think this thread is one of those things where knife people are going to have vastly different opinions about what constitutes a knife for their needs/wants and what does not..
I say carry what you want , and I will carry what I want as we both should be able to , whenever-wherever and however we please.

Maturity and responsiblity go right along with manners and common sense , as long as one exhibits all of those good traits then I have no problem.

Yea , Tostig
 
Need isn't the same as want. I don't need a knife to cut much on a day to day basis, but I like having a knife in my pocket because there are times when it comes in handy. I don't really need dozens of knives, but collecting and using knives is a hobby so variety is where the fun is.

I have a fairly large folder, the Kershaw Speedbump. I don't broadcast it to everyone in public because it looks like a threatening knife and I'm pretty sure almost everyone will view it that way. If I pull out a Queen mini trapper with amber stag handles or a SAK, most people won't turn their head because those knives don't look threatening. They look like something a Boy Scout or their grandpa would carry, and they take two hands to open the blades. The Speedbump is total overkill for me, so I rarely take it with me in public. My Spyderco ladybug, SAK, or Queen mini trapper would be plenty of knife for just about anything I need to do on a daily basis.

Obviously everyone can do what they want, but restrictions are turned into law because of public perception. Politicians cater to public opinion. If enough people go around waving huge "tactical" or threatening-looking knives, people will complain and laws will change. Some people feel like they should do whatever they want, and that's a choice they can make. The consequences of that choice, however, reverberate in society and affect others.

For example, imagine how someone not interested in knives will remark to people they know about how they saw some maniac wielding a huge knife in the park or wherever. People talk. If someone who fears knives sees a man in tactical pants with a scary knife at the local public park with children nearby, the person who doesn't like knives will probably tell other people about it and may even write their local politicians. If that person doesn't, there's still the chance that whomever they tell will try to do something to get the laws changed to be more restrictive. People who don't like knives may not do anything the first time they see someone using a scary knife in public, but the experience may make them more aware of how many people use knives in public, and they may decide to take action to change that.

Knife enthusiasts can say "whatever" and do what they want. They can have the attitude that they're going to do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. That's certainly one way of looking at things, but we do live in society and there are laws and restrictions and more can be added at any time. I think we all would do well to remember that knife enthusiasts are a small minority and that what we choose to carry and show in public can have consequences. Instead of carrying a massive folder in public to open a letter or cut some tape, we might choose a smaller knife for public use and leave the larger knives for camping or use at home.
 
Doesn't sound like your old man was into knives at all. You come across as someone that doesn't sound interested in knives.

I don't think you could be any further from the truth.

Carls intention is quite clear here. He wants a Peanut in every pocket. Well, I for one am taking a stand against your venerable little peanut and throwing in my bid for a Barlow in every pocket.

In all seriousness, I get what your saying Carl. I definitely don't take your position as one telling me what I should or shouldn't carry. I make the choice daily to carry a small slipjoint to work. Usually it is either my slimline stockman, Boker stag handled Barlow or CS cannitler. For the tasks that I encounter daily, these knives are well suited. Most often it is one of these that is with me in any given situation around town. I also have an extensive collection of large folders, that for lack of a better term, are considered tactical folders. They too have their place, albeit limited, in my routine. Recently I used a ka bar dozier to do some work that I would not have pressed one of my slippies into service for.

For me, it does come down to the right tool for the right job.
 
I've heard this argument over and over again: these so called "sheeple" are always afraid of knives and there's nothing you can do about it, so you might as well carry whatever. My experience has been different. There are people scared of any carried knife, but they are in the minority. Most people out there are wary about knives, but with polite and respectful discussion they can be made to see the purpose. It is far, far easier to convince them that my multitool or small slipjoint is a necessary daily tool than if it's a 3.5" half-pound assisted opener with acute point and black blade. Most people aren't stupid, and they know I don't need that much knife just to open envelopes and boxes.

I advocate carrying two knives: a small non-threatening one for public use, and whatever wicked blade you love as a backup. Use only the "social" one, unless you come across a task that only the large blade can handle. After a while you'll find out that the big knife is very rarely needed.
 
I've heard this argument over and over again: these so called "sheeple" are always afraid of knives and there's nothing you can do about it, so you might as well carry whatever. My experience has been different. There are people scared of any carried knife, but they are in the minority. Most people out there are wary about knives, but with polite and respectful discussion they can be made to see the purpose. It is far, far easier to convince them that my multitool or small slipjoint is a necessary daily tool than if it's a 3.5" half-pound assisted opener with acute point and black blade. Most people aren't stupid, and they know I don't need that much knife just to open envelopes and boxes.

I advocate carrying two knives: a small non-threatening one for public use, and whatever wicked blade you love as a backup. Use only the "social" one, unless you come across a task that only the large blade can handle. After a while you'll find out that the big knife is very rarely needed.

I am definitely 'on board' with Sep's statement, which allows the maximum versatility depending on the situation.

I think my responses to Rick's statements came across as a bit, umm...passionate and I mean no offence by them.
 
Doesn't sound like your old man was into knives at all. You come across as someone that doesn't sound interested in knives.

Funniest thing I have read in a while. Could not be further from the truth. A little research can enlighten.
 
Carry what you want, it isn't about need. If we only addressed our needs then none of us would be on this website, or even 99% of the internet. If somebody doesn't like what you carry (legally), who cares. Prohibitive laws don't appear overnight from one irrational reaction. And the very fact that we knife enthusiasts are a terribly small part of the population, with varied tastes in cutlery, means that we are absolutely not freaking out a large percentage of the constituency every time we cut a string. Those who are put off, can stay put off. If they don't like who you vote for, do you change your ballot? Do you carry a change of clothes in case someone doesn't like your attire? How quickly do you run to the nearest barber if someone disagrees with your hairstyle? People take offense and downright hate a lot of things, you can still own/do them as long as it won't land you in jail. Ignorance makes knives scary, not blade length. If a four inch folder is not inappropriate for the occasion, then don't grab the two incher if you don't feel like it.
 
I need them all.:)
Y'all feel free to send me all the knives that you don't need.:D
 
I've been carrying a peanut for over a month now, and am going to do a review on it. I like it, but it has left me wanting more a few times. So while I understand the sentiment, I'm not sure I totally agree with it.

I am, however, getting tired of prevailing attitudes that "once you grow up, you'll see that this is all you need". I'm turning 50 this year, and have been a user all my life, and interestingly enough, as I get older, I appreciate lockbacks more and more for their ease of use. I couldn't care less if my Spyderco's look tactical or not, they're just plain handy.

And yes, I also carry a slippie, usually a SAK. I see no reason why I should have to pick sides. I like both.
 
I am, however, getting tired of prevailing attitudes that "once you grow up, you'll see that this is all you need". I'm turning 50 this year

Always remember this quote:
"If you haven't grown up by 50, you don't have to.":thumbup:
:D
 
One of the advantages of being a 'senior', is that you can tell 'political correctness' to take a hike. I'll carry what I like, when I like and anyone that tells me otherwise, I'll have words with. I grew up with a knife in my pocket and by God, I'll die with a knife in my pocket. I'll be dipped if I allow some metrosexual pussy, dictate what I can and cannot do. But, that is just me. ;)

APF, I don't post much on this forum. But, you hit the nail on the head! These are my thoughts exactly. This is definitely quote worthy.
 
Need isn't the same as want. I don't need a knife to cut much on a day to day basis, but I like having a knife in my pocket because there are times when it comes in handy. I don't really need dozens of knives, but collecting and using knives is a hobby so variety is where the fun is.

I have a fairly large folder, the Kershaw Speedbump. I don't broadcast it to everyone in public because it looks like a threatening knife and I'm pretty sure almost everyone will view it that way. If I pull out a Queen mini trapper with amber stag handles or a SAK, most people won't turn their head because those knives don't look threatening. They look like something a Boy Scout or their grandpa would carry, and they take two hands to open the blades. The Speedbump is total overkill for me, so I rarely take it with me in public. My Spyderco ladybug, SAK, or Queen mini trapper would be plenty of knife for just about anything I need to do on a daily basis.

Obviously everyone can do what they want, but restrictions are turned into law because of public perception. Politicians cater to public opinion. If enough people go around waving huge "tactical" or threatening-looking knives, people will complain and laws will change. Some people feel like they should do whatever they want, and that's a choice they can make. The consequences of that choice, however, reverberate in society and affect others.

For example, imagine how someone not interested in knives will remark to people they know about how they saw some maniac wielding a huge knife in the park or wherever. People talk. If someone who fears knives sees a man in tactical pants with a scary knife at the local public park with children nearby, the person who doesn't like knives will probably tell other people about it and may even write their local politicians. If that person doesn't, there's still the chance that whomever they tell will try to do something to get the laws changed to be more restrictive. People who don't like knives may not do anything the first time they see someone using a scary knife in public, but the experience may make them more aware of how many people use knives in public, and they may decide to take action to change that.

Knife enthusiasts can say "whatever" and do what they want. They can have the attitude that they're going to do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. That's certainly one way of looking at things, but we do live in society and there are laws and restrictions and more can be added at any time. I think we all would do well to remember that knife enthusiasts are a small minority and that what we choose to carry and show in public can have consequences. Instead of carrying a massive folder in public to open a letter or cut some tape, we might choose a smaller knife for public use and leave the larger knives for camping or use at home.

Thank you for saying what I was working my way around the bush to.

I love knives, and will always have a sharp pocket knife on me as long as I have pants on. I think it should be mandatory that all adult males have a knife. But society does not see it our way at all. We're the 1% minority, and all those people that you all refer to as sheeple, all out vote us by a huge margin. They look at us already as being a bit weird, and it takes very little to push that opinion over an edge. We, as knife affictionado's are the sole ambassador of our hobby. One idiot can ruin it for all of us. Every week here, I see some post about someone's thinly disguised gloating about scaring the 'sheeple' when taking out a knife in public.

I remember when you could walk into a hardware store, and buy a "switchblade". They were made by well known knife companies like Schrade, and Hammer Brand. Lots of carpenters and handymen used them for the convienence. But then came the James Dean craze, and a Senator doing feel good legislation, and Bam, no more automatics. The punks on street corners ruined it for everyone else. Think it can't happen again?

When I was stationed in Germany, automatics were legal. It was sooo cool to be sitting in a pub, and hearing a metalic snick and seeing the guy a table over using a nice bone handled Boker auto slicng his sausage. Now, thanks to the abuse of some tactical knives by a minority few, it's all gone. It's almost as bad as England now. No one handers, and other restrictions. Look at San Antonio with it's ban on lock blades, Boston with a 2 1/2 inch blade limit, and other places with strict limits on knives. Try to get in a football game or concert with a knife in your pocket. All it takes is one blip on the radar to get the sheeple attention. A few idiots kill it for all of us.

Let me tell you what got me started on this post.

A few days ago, the wife and I were at a mall. I detest malls, but the better half needed something that was only at this one chain of stores, so off we went. On the way out, near one of the exits, a group of 'youths' were hanging out. I'll call them youths for lack of a more polite term. As some people were passing by, one of the 'youths' made a grand gesture of flamboyantly opening a very large tacticool folder with one of those tiger striped blades. He did it just as group of elderly people were walking by, getting a few alarmed looks, and a audible gasp from a little old lady. They were part of a group from a local retirement home, that is a very very high dollar place. We're talking people who have kids that are corporate heads, maybe even a congressmen or two.

It was one of the most moronic, bordering on insane show off stunts I've ever seen a punk do for a very long time. Don't think for a New York second that these old folks are not going to be making some calls. All it takes is one. One little old lady who has a grandson that's a staffer for some senator, or a son-in-law who knows somebody of influence, who ever. Whatever. And why did the punk flash his knife so high profile? He was making a very large show of slicing open a cellophane pack of Twizzlers. A frigging pack of Twizzlers.

For his moments thrill, he's made an enemy for each and every one of us for a lifetime, out of the people who witnessed his stupid act. He's reenforced the view of a knife as a punk's weapon. I say punk, because there's no other real term for what I saw that afternoon. I've been on this rock for 70 years now, and I've seen a lot of stuff come and go. In my youth, you didn't need a permit for carrying a gun. Lots of people did it. But the actions of a criminal few did away with that. Only in recent years has the CCW movement gained back a lot of ground lost to the so called sheeple, thank God for the N.R.A. As I understand it, abut 40 of our 50 states now have CCW permits for the citizens who want to protect themselves. Once upon a time in America, you could walk into a hardware store and buy a new full auto Thompson, or you could cut of the barrel of your shotgun at 12 inches if you really wanted to. But the actions of the minority criminals changed all that with the National Gun control act.

Like I said, I love knives, and will never go without one, unless I'm flying someplace. But while in public, I'm very aware of the fact that I am surrounded by people who are not knife nuts. They do not share my love of a sharp cutting tool. So I keep a low profile. If I have to cut something while in public, my edc is a very small non threatening pocket knife. And contrary to some of the posters here, I've never had a bad reaction to my knife. I've even had some women comment how it's such a pretty knife. So people are not afraid of knives, they are afraid of someone pulling a knife that is obviously designed as a weapon. There is a difference, and the non knife people see it that way. It's like the difference between a garder snake and a timber rattler. You don't have to be snake expert to know which ones the dangerous one. Like the guy once said about art; he can't describe it, but he knows it when he see's it.

Carry and own what you want. Collect whatever you want. But in public, you have to police yourselves, or the ' sheeple' will do it for us. And you won't like what that leads to. Use some restraint. You can dress up like Conan the barbarian and swing around a broadsword in your backyard if you want. But when you're out and about, keep in mind that you are the ambassador of the knife community. The ambassador among a public who already thinks it's weird to love knives. A public who could turn on us in a heartbeat, because of a idiotic display of immature knife handling while showing off for the ' sheeple.'

I've given a lot of my knives to my grandson. I'd like to think that he will be able to enjoy the same knife carrying rights I enjoyed in my life.

Carl.
 
If we only carried the knives we "need", then nobody would have a knife 95% of he time. I carry larger 1h-opening folders because I prefer the utility, and greatly enjoy the pseudo-security. Nowadays, everybody doing something illegal uses a gun, and generally gun beats knife. Maybe, someday, I will carry a gun, but I will NEVER give up my knives. I paid for these with my hard-earned money, and I'll be damned before somebody tells me my tool is illegal to carry. A screwdriver is every bit as deadly as a knife, sometimes more, but screwdrivers will never be regulated. What makes a knife so much different, other than being able to open packages. Sure, you can get one of those safe, ceramic blade package openers, carry a pry-bar, and carry a hammer, but wouldn't a good multi-purpose knife be 1000x times easier to carry?
 
Jackknife , I said in one sentence what took you several paragraphs to say and I mean no offense by that.

Maturity and responsiblity go right along with manners and common sense , as long as one exhibits all of those good traits then I have no problem

There.


Tostig
 
Tostig, I appreciate what you're getting at, but, respectfully, I think you've contradicted yourself:

Nobody said anything about carrying a Bowie into a cocktail and shrimp party or going out of their way to worry some frail-heart.

And:

I say carry what you want , and I will carry what I want as we both should be able to , whenever-wherever and however we please.

As others have pointed out, perception is reality, so while a large knife seems like a reasonable tool to many of us, it looks like a deadly weapon to the average person. If you "pull" your "weapon" in public, you appear to be a potentially violent assailant, regardless of your real intent (remember; perception trumps reality). So, in effect, you are advocating "bringing a Bowie to a cocktail party" because that's exactly how a large knife will be perceived.

We knife lovers are a small minority trying to coexist with a clueless but powerful majority who're indifferent to our hobby at best, but are much more likely to be downright terrified of "huge edged weapons being wielded" in public. That's a fact that I think we can both agree on. If so, then maturity, responsibility, manners and common sense suggest that a bit of discretion in the size of our carry blades is indicated.

When I read A.P.F.'s "screw the pussies; I'll carry what I want" comments, and given the tenuous state of knife rights in many countries around the world, I think what he's really saying, perhaps unintentionally, is "as long as I get my way, screw the rest of you" and I have a problem with that. We need to act as a responsible community or our rights are eventually going to be severely curtailed, thanks to the actions of a few selfish individuals.
 
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I quite agree with you, Carl. It ain't against the law to be a rude ill-mannered brute, but one will certainly be further ahead by being a polite, civilised, and thinking man. It is said that one can 'catch more flies with honey than vinegar,' so to speak. ;)

What a world it would be if more folks took the time to truly consider their needs and wants to the point where they can readily distinguish between the two. How often do we find our modern lives cluttered with superfluous rubbish and nonsense? It happens far too often, and not only in our personal choice of a pocket knives...
 
I hear what you're saying but the "want vs. Need" debate could be applied to just about anything.

You can carry a knife for other purposes than pure utility. You can appreciate a knife for it's workmanship and quality and overall "ownership experience."

Sure 99% of us could get by with 1% of the stuff we buy but that wouldn't be much fun would it ;)
 
Its funny how often this conversation has come up since I've been on the forum(only a few years). It is a tool... What do you do with your day.? If you sit in an office, you could use a peanut. If you pick grapes, you may want a hawkbill. Not everybody needs to be fighting injuns or vampires, its just not that simple of a subject to put it down as minimalism vs materialism. If you work on a farm like I do, and you have to open a 10 Gallon jug of fertilizer like I did today, you start with huge vice grips to get the lid off. Than on the other side of the Jug is an optional air hole sealed in plastic about a quarter inch thick. I'd say it would take about fifteen to twenty minutes if even possible with a peanut in the hands of a master whittler. I usually carry a sharpened pry bar of a knife when I'm around the farm. If I had a pick and hammer handy I woulda used em. I used a boattail scandi from BHK and it still took me about a minute to bore into it. I had a Spyderco clipped to my pocket and a traditional in my coin pocket, an old Schrade stockman. but the wee stockman doesn't cut it sometimes. And for this job, neither did the Spydie. However, I'd say once a day I have my hands full or am in an awkward position and have to use my Spyderco, my "EDC." I just have to have a one hand opener. period. EDDC. Every damn day carry. Its the convenience I'm used to. It does the job better. And this is the knife I would typically hand to someone to make a cut. My traditionals are to be appreciated and used for an apple or opening an envelope, using in public or reachin in my pocket when I need the comfort of a little nickel silver.
 
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