How much space do you need for your hobby?

Prior to this relocation, I own a condo. It is fairly small with common underground parking. There was no way for me to do anything in that condo. Now, it is my first opportunity to do something. But since I will be renting, there are other considerations beside my own work space. I don't want to be labeled as a rift-raft by my neighbors or a bad tenant by my landlord. So it is important that I approach my hobby with as much consideration and cleanliness as it is possible.

-Is this possible to keep the garage I am working in fairly clean and not spilling dust over to my neighbors' area?

-Would vacuuming right after working remove most of the dust and powder?

-What other things should I do to minimize the impact of my hobby on the neighbors?

Thank you for all the advices.
 
I t is possible to keep it very clean,pictures if Nick Wheelers shop look like a hospital surgical theater,where as mine you probably need a tetanus shot to enter.:D
Stan
 
Still have no place. Having difficulty finding a property with garage with sufficient distance from the next neighbor. My understanding is that grinder and bandsaw generate over 100+ db unloaded. I would move into dumpy neighborhood and nobody there would care; if it wasn't for my baby sister (she is not a baby anymore) who will be living with me. The folks would kill me if something happen to her.
 
MKP,

I live in a quiet suburban neighborhood and use a bandsaw, grinder, milling machine, and shopvac all up to about 10:00 at night.

I spoke with all of my closest neighbors - they're all cool with the minimal noise they claim they can hear. I'll probably drop by a paring knife or something sometime, and I don't complain about their parties. I think I'm going to be OK.

Tait

p.s. My garage walls are not insulated, but do have sheetrock hung.
 
20'x20' insulated, AC, and heated, was garage of sorts and could be a lot bigger
but for what I do- I'm happy. Have been in a lot worse conditions over the years.
Ken.
 
The noise can be a problem to nearby neighbors, but there are ways to mitigate it. Probably the easiest is to plan ahead so that you can do the noisy operations like grinding and sawing when your neighbors are not home, or when they are up and about, making noise themselves. I'm sure this varies from one maker to the next, but on smaller knives at least I may only spend 15 minutes at the bandsaw and an hour to an hour and a half at the grinder, doing both the profiling and the bevel grinding. The hand finishing that I do to most of my knives is by far the most time consuming portion of the work, and makes a lot less noise.
There are also ways to dampen the noise, these usually involve covering the inside of the walls with a noise-insulating material and would require some work/money to accomplish, but the option is at least availible.
 
Prior to this relocation, I own a condo. It is fairly small with common underground parking. There was no way for me to do anything in that condo. Now, it is my first opportunity to do something. But since I will be renting, there are other considerations beside my own work space. I don't want to be labeled as a rift-raft by my neighbors or a bad tenant by my landlord. So it is important that I approach my hobby with as much consideration and cleanliness as it is possible.

-Is this possible to keep the garage I am working in fairly clean and not spilling dust over to my neighbors' area?

-Would vacuuming right after working remove most of the dust and powder?

-What other things should I do to minimize the impact of my hobby on the neighbors?

Thank you for all the advices.

You need to be aware that there are different problems to solve, and different ways to avoid them or solve them.

Problem 1: Metal filings. Generally speaking, these tend to fall to the ground quickly, and can be swept up immediately after working without creating a problem for anyone else sharing the space.

Problem 2: Wood Dust. Wood dust tends to float in the air for quite some time and forms a coating on literally everything in the space. This problem cannot be solved by cleaning up afterwards. This problem must be avoided. To avoid it you can install a dust collection system, or take the sanders (including, by the way, any hand sanding you do on wood) outside where the dust is taken away by the breeze.

Problem 3: Stench. If you work with ivory, antler, bone or other animal products, the sanding and shaping of those materials will smell much like burnt flesh or hair. It stinks. Likewise, I am reliably informed that working on many synthetic materials (micarta, G10, et al) creates a different but equally obnoxious odor. This is not the sort of problem that hangs around forever, like dust, but it is one that many people find intolerable. Again, my advice would be take any such work outdoors to avoid the problem of stinking up the work space.

Problem 4: Noise. What we do invariably involves making some noise. Even hand filing a billet of steel can result in ear-shattering squeals and squeaks. Bandsaws and bench grinders make a lot of noise. There really isn't much to be done about that, other than to make sure you time the noise so that it bothers the fewest people. Some methods are noisier than others... if it's really a problem for your neighbors, use the quieter methods.

Problem 5: Fire hazard. Certain types of grinding throw of a lot of hot sparks. Forging, welding, brazing and heat treatment by their very nature mean contact with extreme heat sources. Other knife making processes involve use of potentially flamable substance. In all cases, you need to be cognizant of the fire hazard, and prepare yourself to deal with any problems that arise. Also be advised that others will see the fire hazards as being a lot more serious than you see them, and may object to any activities that they deem unnecessarily risky. I know this because my wife is such a person. Every spark she sees convinces her I will burn the house down. Make sure you are taking ALL precautions against fire. Never do anything that creates sparks or heat near any combustible materials. Keep a fire extinguisher handy.

Problem 6: Chemicals. Apart from the combustibility of chemicals, you also need to be aware of other characteristics that may be problematic. Some give off toxic fumes. Others can have very nasty interactions with one another. You'll need to be able to safely store chemicals and keep tabs on them to insure that there aren't any surprises developing (e.g. stupidly storing acid in a glass container with a metal lid and failing to notice the metal lid has rusted away to nothing due to interaction with the acid).

Having said all that, yes, it is possible to make knives in a shared space. You just have to think through the problems and solve them in advance.
 
I use an 8 by 12 foot shop in the basement. Been using this settup for 25 years. Combatting dust is my greatest problem as its easy for it to migrate around the house despite the shop exhaust fan and dust collection system.

I reduce the dust problem by doing work when I can run the exhaust fan. During cold snaps I back off from grinding work because I am unable to run the exhaust fan without sucking all the heat out of the house. Instead I work on fitting up handles, sheath work and bandsawing knife blanks, and any other work that doesn't require 'dustmaking'.
 
The noise can be a problem to nearby neighbors, but there are ways to mitigate it. Probably the easiest is to plan ahead so that you can do the noisy operations like grinding and sawing when your neighbors are not home, or when they are up and about, making noise themselves. I'm sure this varies from one maker to the next, but on smaller knives at least I may only spend 15 minutes at the bandsaw and an hour to an hour and a half at the grinder, doing both the profiling and the bevel grinding. The hand finishing that I do to most of my knives is by far the most time consuming portion of the work, and makes a lot less noise.
There are also ways to dampen the noise, these usually involve covering the inside of the walls with a noise-insulating material and would require some work/money to accomplish, but the option is at least availible.

Justin,

Is there expedient or temporary noise-insulating material that can be easily installed then uninstalled when the lease term expire? It will be a rental property so I rather not do anything permanent. I am willing to spend money to be a good neighbor.

tryppyr,

Thanks for the detailed advices and warnings.
 
MKP egg cartons are used as a poor man's sound proofing for musicians.. would probably work for this too.

It should be noted that along with Gregs list, the dust from most things is extremely combustible. Wood dust, aluminum, heck even coffee whitener (which contains a bit of aluminum derivative as desiccant) will catch fire rather explosively when floating in the air -- plus many others that I'm unaware of, the point is dust = bad for that reason too.
 
Mgysgthath

Other than the spark from grinding, there should be no other fire hazard. Even then, there will be a day or two between grinding metal and working on wood. I won't be doing any heat treating, welding, or forging. If I decide to play with fire, I'll do that at the local industrial art school which I will be a member.
 
I'm a "hobby master multi tasker".. :)

I have so many hobby's and sooooooo many things I'd like to do in life it would take 2 of me to accomplish half... :D

but to answer your question I think for a 'hobbyist' a single car garage is ideal, with room to spare no doubt..
 
Sometime back i was going to start a who has the worst shop thread. which i still believe i would have won. i really dont consider myself a maker yet as i havent got into the swing of things. anyway the first time i set up and was grinding, i made a sturdy bench out of scrap 2xs and 3/4" ply. it was about 2' deep and 4' long. on it was a grizzly grinder, a drill press and a vice. the kicker was that it was on the FRONT PORCH OF MY APARTMENTS! LOL. outside! luckily under the overhang of the above walkway and behind a about an 8' wide brick wall. but it was still outside. when i wanted power, i ran an extension cord from the living room. after tripping the breaker several times i finally got a larger gauge cord. it was loud but no one ever messed with me. anyway we moved shortly after and i had no shop for a while. i have a garage now and setting back up.
 
Problem solved. I found a perfect place with a long back yard. There is a concrete storage building in the backyard and there is no neighbor in the back. Not only can I grind. I can do whatever I want. The owner is a woodworking hobbyist and he is cool with me doing metal work.
 
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