How Sharp is Sharp?

i didnt read all the posts...but i gotta say this question is not relevant.....the sharpest knife is one that is ground down to microthin thickness thruout and rockwelled to 80 and sharpened on some very fine Japanese stones....and will break in half the first time you drop it....sharpness in EVERY case is relative to 1)knife steel 2)heat treat 3)thickness of blade 4)sharpening medium 5)knifes intended purpose....put them all on the scale and decide what you want.. the balance will NEVER end up in the middle.

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All these practical and technical people trying to quantify and characterize effective sharpness--they just aren't answering the question I heard you ask. You want to know about "bragging sharp". Someone strokes the edge of your blade or tries a little shaving and says, "it could be better". This has nothing to do with practicality, this has to do with pride.

I feel your pain. The child of your hand has been found wanting by your peer. Where did you go wrong? How have you failed as a parent, er, honer? You know it's a good edge, polite and willing to do anything you reasonably ask of it, but if only it was the captain of the football team...

Well you could make it over. I did that for several years. Take every blade you get and regrind it into a thin hollow grind profile. Sharpen it down below 10-degrees with 4000 to 8000 grit. Strop it religiously. You can get most non-stainless blades (and certain stainless alloys) as sharp as a straight razor. They won't be durable, but heck, no one is going to say he, er it, isn't sharp enough anymore.

This is a true bragging edge. Those of us with minimal daily work to do with our knives can afford to carry at least one bragging knife. If you feel you need to maintain a semblance of utility to the knife, don't go down below the 10-degree edge. Get a nice thin gentleman's folder made of a razor blade alloy (Sandvic 12C-27, AUS-8, AUS-10, VG-10, 52100...) and hone it down below 15 degrees with 1000 to 4000 grit and then strop it. The way to be able to brag is to say, "I shaved my face with it this morning". Get a shaving brush and soap, lather with hot soapy water, and shave away. For best results, maintain the edge with a strop, and shave with the knife every morning.

With one bragging edge on you, you can always say that your heavier knife is sharpened with your "utility edge".
 
I use my Edge Pro set without the stones. I take the polishing tape blank, and I tape a 100-grit Aluminum Oxide sandpaper strip to it. After getting a burr and repeating on the other side, I strop on leather charged with white rouge. Then I strop on leather with red rouge. Then I use a newspaper and strop on the pictures.

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Chang the Asian Janitorial Apparatus
 
I use a medium Spyderco bench stone for initial profiling, and use the small Spyderco combination medium + fine grit for edge touchup.

For finishing and edge, I use a 2-surface leather hone system. One surface is loaded with 600-grit, and the finish surface is loaded with 10,000-grit chromium oxide powder.

For judging sharpness and detecting edge problems, I use common newspaper. A sharp blade will be able to cleanly slice through the newspaper with a soft hiss, with no tearing or hesitation. You can detect edge problems better with this method than with a magnifying glass.

The leather hone system I purchased from www.handamerica.com. It's outstanding for producing really 'scary' edges.

I like the newsprint test because it will really find edge problems quickly, it serves as a sharpness-benchmark and it's a cheap and common material of uniform consistency.
 
Hmmm... some seriously sharp folks here.
As an ex-Yukon bushman who used my knives for cutting, skinning, etc., (and lacking any technological resources,) I was content with my blade taking hair easily off my arm, and running my thumb along the edge to be sure it "felt" right. Smooth and no burrs.
Have noticed that a rougher edge honed on a coarser stone feels sharp, cuts good, but dulls quickly. Using a black Arkansas gave me an edge which stands up much longer. Also found that a fine edge angle which creates an "extremely" sharp edge doesn't stand much use before the stones come out again.
Never had a silken scarf along, and generally no toilet paper to test with either. Leaves don't work too well for testing knife edges...

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Dix Leatherworks
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I think that Gollnick's question still hasn't been answered. I think what is called for is something like how a my doctor measures my pain level on a scale of 1 - 10, 1 being the lowest ten being the highest. So you could say that hair poping sharp was 10 and scary sharp was 9 and so on and this way each knife could be labeled with a sharpness level.It might be over simplified be I think that is what is needed.But I also think that you will pay more for a knife that is a number 10 out of the box.
 
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