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how to use the wrong size knife

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today i snapped a few pictures of techniques in using the wrong size knife to do tasks that are generally considered not possible or akward at best. i used a large knife (cold steel machete) for fine shaving and shaping of wood. i used a little knife (2.25 inch blade) to baton a piece of wood in half.

the big knife technique is pretty simple, many people have probably figured it out on their own. just sink the tip of the knife deep into a log or stump with a hard swing, leaving a few inches hanging over the edge in the air.
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place your foot on top of the blade, or your knee against the handle. it is difficult to do both. this reduces vibration which will keep the knife in the log better and will make it easier to shave the wood.

pull the wood against the edge. it takes a minute to get the motion down, but it is easy and simple. in some cases, it is easier than using a mid sized fixed blade because of the large amount of control and the ability to use both hands to control the angle, instead of just one hand.
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then i did something more challenging. i split wood with a tiny knife and a baton. the trick to this is the preparation. don't just start wailing on the knife and wood. take your knife to a stick first and whittle a wedge. i make the tip at least as thin as the spine of the knife, sometimes a bit thinner.
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cut another stick about 3/4 inch thick to a length of about a foot or so. here is the batoning set:
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now baton the knife until it is a little below the level of the log.
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baton the wedge in behind it. if the wedge won't stick vertically (rare, but it happens, like on this example) lay the log on its side and pound the wedge into the side of the started split.
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once you open up the crack to the width of your stick, start batoning the stick into the top of the split just like you would a big knife. this stick probably won't break if it is green. if its rotted it might snap.
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then you're done!
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hope this helps someone!
 
Good post considering how easily we get caught up in the most minute details of knives. Like the saying "The best knife for survival is the one I have with me."
 
its a style thing pit, haha i just do it for kicks sometimes (crazy teenagers :rolleyes:)

thanks cando. i make it a point to use whatever i have on my for the sake of practicing skills...so i have worked out a few ways to get around having the wrong tool.
 
Thanks for useful tips. I just bought a Gossman PSK, which is 6 inches overall, so this info comes in handy.
 
cando, i operate on the similar "live and let live" policy. noone bothers me, i don't bother them...hah sometimes i slip up and start bothering people...but its fine anyways.
 
its a style thing pit, haha i just do it for kicks sometimes (crazy teenagers :rolleyes:)

thanks cando. i make it a point to use whatever i have on my for the sake of practicing skills...so i have worked out a few ways to get around having the wrong tool.


It's funny you say that cos you just reminded me that a couple of my mates started to wear it back around 1986, I never tried it myself, my dad would have gone mad, but it's strange how fashions return eh !!!

Keep up the tips and pics....good stuff !!!!;):thumbup:
 
its a style thing pit, haha i just do it for kicks sometimes (crazy teenagers :rolleyes:)

thanks cando. i make it a point to use whatever i have on my for the sake of practicing skills...so i have worked out a few ways to get around having the wrong tool.

The better question is why is it so chipped. Dang man - if you are going to sport the paint - you gotta get a mani / pedi!

Am I still talking....?


TF
 
haha yeah i need to fix them up...haven't had a chance to since before the CT gathering...and working with metal and wood (abrasives/power tools) wears down on the paint fast...
 
I lack style to the point that it becomes its own style. Like anything else, pragmatism can get to the point that it's faith. So it goes.
 
Very nice lesson.
I'll admit I just learned the wedge trick awhile back.
I carry a 6-7in fixed blade so I am used to doing fine work with a big knife.
 
I never used a wedge before but this sure comes handy. I will try it out one of these days with my F1 (it is the smallest knife I own) and thick logs. Any clue about what to make the wedge out of? Green wood? Better if bone dry? Same wood? Go somewhere and find harder wood? Sometimes if you are stuck in a forest with just one kind of wood there is no chance of getting harder one... think pine! It could be fire hardened though...
Mikel
 
Simon,

Nice work buddy. Glad you are putting that Cold Steel LTC kukri to work. As for the choice of wood to use as a wedge, remember, green wood can become extremely hard if fire hardened. This is the process of quickly removing moisture from it. I'd want a seasonedhardwood first but if that wasn't available, I'd make do with what was available. Green freshly-cut wood doesn't have to be a bad thing with proper preparation.
 
Cool pics! Whats great is the obvious amount of use those knives are getting!

Keep it up!
 
for what wood to use...i used a peice of fresh cut stick because i have had old sticks i pick up off the ground split on me. it doesn't have to be that strong, since it doesn't recieve that much force, and the edge doesn't actually do any cutting.

thanks for the kind remarks kev and andy...
andy: i figure there's not much point to having them if you aren't using them (i try to apply this to everything in life...)
 
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