How will the police3 compare strength wise to the streach2?

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Hi guys, Hope you are not still mad over G10 :D

How will the police3 compare strength wise to the streach2?

Why do I ask? Because I have the streach2 and it will be my reference point.

Will the lock be smaller? or bigger?
Is the blade thicker or the same as the stretch?
For a long knife, wont the police3 be more fragile than the streach?

Thanks.
 
I was comparing these two as well yesterday (I own neither).

According to the specs, both blades are 3mm thick.

By looking at them, I would say the Stretch is less fragile of a knife, but both are very, very solid.

Due to price alone, I think I'm gonna get a Police 3 instead.
 
Hi guys, Hope you are not still mad over G10 :D

How will the police3 compare strength wise to the streach2?

Why do I ask? Because I have the streach2 and it will be my reference point.

Will the lock be smaller? or bigger?
Is the blade thicker or the same as the stretch?
For a long knife, wont the police3 be more fragile than the streach?

Thanks.
Hard to say. Lock notch sizes appear to be the same. So do liner and handle slab thicknesses. Blade thickness may be the same on paper, but the Police blade is a hair thicker than thicker in fact. The Police does have a longer blade, but because of the difference in blade shapes, it is also broader for almost its entire length and the smaller Spyderhole opener makes it perhaps the more "meaty" of the two just forward of the tang. The tip of the Stretch appears to be more robust, but there's some question as to the relative resistance of VG-10 and ZDP-189 to breakage, so I can't say for sure whether that is actually the case. Again, at least in theory, at any given thickness, CF is stronger and more resistant to flexing than G-10, but in reality, neither knife flexes very much when squeezed.

The Police III is definitely longer, WAY longer, .75" more blade and darn near 1.5" more handle than the Stretch II.

Paul
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Building on Deacon's assessment, since the locks appear to have the same notch (thereby being of equivalent "lock strength") the Stretch will have a "stronger" lock than the Police. This is due to the longer Police blade giving more leverage.

That being said; unless you put it between to immovable objects and add a lever bar to the handle, it is unlikely you would suffer a lock failure with either knife.
 
Building on Deacon's assessment, since the locks appear to have the same notch (thereby being of equivalent "lock strength") the Stretch will have a "stronger" lock than the Police. This is due to the longer Police blade giving more leverage.

That being said; unless you put it between to immovable objects and add a lever bar to the handle, it is unlikely you would suffer a lock failure with either knife.
Very true Zen.

In my opinion the Police III is a very impressive, high quality knife. Unless you do something truly barbaric to it, it should perform admirably for a long, long time.

Took a couple pics this morning of the two, plus an original full flat grind G-10 Police...

police_stretch_closed3.jpg


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...I consider the Stretch II a large folder, but the Police III makes it look almost like a toy. :eek: :D Those whole like BIG folders should find it an extremely attractive option.

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The Deacon , your picture gave me more info than I dreamed of. Thanks.

Now that I see the police3 and streach2 , I wonder if the extra 3/4 of an inch in the blade is worth the 1 1/2 inches in the handle, for someone who has a streach2 I mean.

The stretch still has the best blade to handle ratio, right?
 
Let me start by saying I am totally prejudiced and highly opinionated. Simply put, for me, the Stretch II is the best knife that ever came off Spyderco's production line. Materials and workmanship are top shelf all the way. Size and ergonomics are perfect for me. Best yet, it fits my style of carry perfectly.

I carry loose in my back pocket and prefer to carry as large a folder as possible back there. I also carry a Kiwi in my watch pocket for those occasions where fine control is of paramount importance or political correctness requires me to humor the faint of heart and weak of bladder. The Stretch's handle is very close to the maximum length that can fit comfortably across the bottom of my pocket and if the blade were any longer the tip would be hanging out the back.

I also prefer a knife with a usable 50/50 choil, yet am aware that the tradeoff for that is a reduction in usable edge length for any given size blade. The Stretch has about as high edge to handle ratio as is possible on a knife which has one. I also prefer a large Spyderhole, so the 14mm one on the Stretch appeals to me more than the 13mm one on the Police III.

As you noted, although the Police III has a lot more edge, the edge/handle ratio is lower that the Stretch's. That's due in part to a bit of "bubble butt" than someone with a bit of skill with a grinder could probably eliminate. I'd estimate nearly a quarter inch of handle could be removed at the back end without exposing the blade tip. While that would improve the Police III's stats, they would still fall short of the Stretch's.

The handle of the Police III is "unstructured" enough to please those who prefer maximum freedom of hand position and is long enough that I can get a full seven finger :eek: grip on it if I wish, but I prefer the highly structured deep saddle grip of the Stretch. I will say that a more structured handle would probably be inappropriate on a knife the size of the Police III, it would just limit the user's choice of grip unnecessarily.

As for the Stretch II, of course there are things I'd change if I could. I've reached the conclusion that expecting any production knife to match my tastes perfectly is unrealistic. I'd prefer finer jimping on the thumb ramp. Sal has already commented that future versions will have it. I'd also be pleased as punch if they ditched the Boye dent, but that's one battle I don't expect to win. But both of those things are minor issues of taste and aesthetics, not major .

I do hope a VG-10/FRN Stretch II sees the light of day, as it will allow many who find the price of the current version to be more than they wish to spend for an EDC knife.

That said, some folks want or need a longer blade, and for them the Police III is an excellent, well made knife at a somewhat more reasonable price.
 
From the picture, and you mentioned, that the Police 3 (P3) does indeed have an increased booty. Now I could be knife/fact blending, but had thought the older Police had the best blade to handle length ratio...but that is now obviously in the Stretch's corner.
 
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