How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?

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Maybe this article will give everyone some good ideas about how to protect their gun ownership priviliges better.

Yvsa.
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How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?
by John A. Sutter
in California

For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be
able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many
men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively
resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this
thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before
you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes,
let’s think about how the government could really do it.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian
possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total
ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun
owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline,
without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as
examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not
turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and
the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have
long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the
Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We
vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties
have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock
troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn
them in? Don’t be silly.

The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm
since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere. Most
likely, it will take quite some time for them to compile all the serial
numbers of “surrendered” guns (surrendered essentially at gunpoint) and
cross off the ones you turned in. It’ll take more time for them to attempt
to “clean up” their data. Say, about two years, maybe three. Add to that
the hordes of people keypunching in hundreds of thousands of sales and
registration records from hundreds of gun stores forced out of business. At
some point the government decides they have something approaching a “good”
database of unaccounted-for guns.

The next thing you’ll get from the government is an official looking notice
that they think you still have a firearm. Their information will probably
include all the information from registration forms, right down to the
serial number. That notice will tell you that you’re in violation of the
law, subject to prosecution and imprisonment. It will give you some period
of time to surrender the gun. It will also give you a very limited number
of days to return the form with an explanation of why you don’t have the
gun, any proof you have, and your signature that the gun was lawfully
disposed of. For many people the idea that the government “knows” they
didn’t turn in that pistol or rifle and they have the detailed information
about it will be enough to get them to surrender the gun. Some people will
ignore the letter, others will scrawl a note that “I sold this in 1982 in a
private sale”. After some time, the government will figure out how many guns
are still out there and what the “compliance rate” is with the gun ban.
More importantly, they’ll start sorting their database by the number of guns
someone supposedly has “unaccounted”.

If you think they’ll come at these multiple-gun owners with a swat team,
guess again. Their most likely tactic will be yet another letter (maybe two
more) that generate what they’ll call “insufficient responses”. That means
they can’t track a gun after you owned it. This they’ll use as fodder for a
search warrant and/or perjury charges at a later date if they can. My guess
is that the time between April and August will be a bad time for a lot of
“former” gun owners. Remember that the BATF is an arm of the Treasury
department and they control the IRS. You’ll probably get a notice in the
mail that the IRS has some questions about your taxes or wants to audit you.
When you make the appointment to visit the IRS they will pass that
information to the BATF. While you are sweating over your deductions, the
BATF and local police will execute a search warrant and search your home
looking for guns. With you safely off site and distracted, essentially
forced into “the royal presence” of the IRS they will snag your guns.
Expect them to use slow-scan and ground penetrating radar to search walls,
yards, under the patio or deck, the basement, etc. You might even find your
hot tub has been drained and moved. Yes, they’ll search your car in the IRS
parking lot too.

If you are one of the those people they suspect of having multiple guns and
they don’t find any guns at your home, expect them to find and search
storage facilities, safety deposit boxes and other places you might use.
Warn your relatives who live nearby that they can expect a visit too, even
(or perhaps especially) if they never owned a gun. If they are thorough, I’d
expect the government agents to check your neighbors to see which of them
previously owned a gun and perhaps search their homes, arguing that your
neighbor could have held your guns while agents searched your home.
Remember that at this point the government authorities don’t have much to
fear from the general population. And by the time your complaints are run
through the mill, rejected and turned into lawsuits, they’ll have changed
the rules.

But you only have one gun you say? Fine. They won’t come looking for it.
But they will make sure that possession of ammunition is also a serious
crime. Don’t leave any loose cartridges around and where will you hide that
case of ammo you rushed out to buy? Expect any “gun parts” to be made
illegal at some point in time too. Spare magazines, maybe even old cleaning
kits. Anything that says “gun” will be interpreted as “probable cause” to
search your entire home. Also expect that you can never use that gun
without becoming a serious felon in the eyes of the government. Even if
some thug has repeatedly stabbed you with a large knife and threatened to
rape your six year old daughter, they won’t forgive you for having the gun.

Part II continued, post was too long.:grumpy:
 
Hi Yvsa:

About 9 years ago something like this did occur in New Jersey.

One day the state of NJ passed a law that made owning a magazine that could hold more than 15 rounds illegal. At the exact time, same law, it was illegal to dispose of any magazine that could hold over 15 rounds.

Imagine. One law, with no warning and no publicity that it had even happened, made it illegal to posses a large capacity magazine and also illegal for a citizen to dispose of it if they had one.
 
Par for the course these days, it seems.

What's happening to us? When did everything become threatened by arrest, imprisonment, or excessive harassment?
 
Coming from another country where politeness seems to be a rite of passage to manhood instead of proficiency with weapons you can guess I have a different point of view . Don,t get me wrong . I think it is possible even proabable . The only reason a major implementation didn,t work here was the bumbling way it was carried out . The I:R:S: gambit ? That seems to be the way to go these days . If I don,t pay my child support ? (Not likely) they don,t come and put me in jail . They take away my drivers permit . If I am pennieless it is just what I need as a final nail in the coffin of my job eligibility . Ground penetrating radar ? You betcha . They would do it in some cases anyway .
Searching homes of innocent relatives and neighbours ? {Ride with em Die with Em ) was phased out long ago wasn,t it ?

No good will ever come from being defenseless .
 
They can just use the Patriot Act and get info concerning your internet useage and credit card purchases then use the same rationale they used to bypass the FISA court to do warantless searches of property.

On the other hand while the right to bear arms may be endangered in some communities, and legislatively we should always be vigilant to keep as many of our freedoms as possible. I feel like those advocating gun control are at an all time low right now as far as public or political support for any additional restrictions.

At this point I feel our guns are pretty safe. The main things I see endangered now are the right to our individual privacy, the erosion of our 4th amendment rights, and the government hiding behind secrecy on one hand while at the same time selectively disclosing classified info in order to achieve their political goals.

It is getting harder and harder for us to determine if our own government is acting in our own best interests or not due to the secrecy.
 
that is off the CADOJ banned list. I've never wanted one. Seemed like a good idea to buy something that frightens the honerable Boxer and Feinstein. It's just a matter of time before I'm required to register it as an 'Assault Rifle'.
Registering bugs me. When they demand I turn it over or store it out of state is the day I move to a more friendly state. Oregon seems pretty nice. I have a few weapons from my grandfather's estate that wouldn't be on any post 1968 list.
Gun control is the first step. Once you remove the will and ability of the public to defy the government all sorts of vile crimes will be enacted against the citizenry.
 
Sutcliffe said:
that is off the CADOJ banned list. I've never wanted one. Seemed like a good idea to buy something that frightens the honerable Boxer and Feinstein. It's just a matter of time before I'm required to register it as an 'Assault Rifle'.
Registering bugs me. When they demand I turn it over or store it out of state is the day I move to a more friendly state. Oregon seems pretty nice. I have a few weapons from my grandfather's estate that wouldn't be on any post 1968 list.
Gun control is the first step. Once you remove the will and ability of the public to defy the government all sorts of vile crimes will be enacted against the citizenry.
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They now have written evidence you have your grandfathers guns. Scary huh? I think it will eventually happen. That's why I train. Guns are merely tools, and many things can become tools in a pinch.
Terry
 
You know, I don't own a gun as of yet, but this thread has me wondering if I don't want too look into 'less than legal' purchase options when I do eventually get one lol.

I figure with the fact that the government can look at my library record for goodness sake, they'd have lots of reasons to search my house. Hell I checked out half a dozen books on firearms and biochemical warfare in one week alone last year (it was research for a story, but they don't know that). Plus one of the groups I'm involved in in Atlanta came up on my friends NASA employment background check as 'non-lethal gorilla combat tactics training'. Hehe. :D
 
Bri in Chi said:
http://www.anjrpc.org/fopalawsuit.htm

Watchyerass
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Hi BIC:

Sadly it is even worse than that in NJ.

When I lived there a Sussex County man that collected guns (legally) and was a devout target shooter in competitions got in a marital tiff. Wifey sic'd the cops on him. SOP in NJ.

His entire gun collection was siezed and he was arrested. The Sussex County Prosecutors Office noticed he had a Marlin semi-automatic .22 rifle with a tubular magazine. It fired .22 long rifles. He was then charged with illegal possesion of an assualt rifle and large capacity magazine. It seems they put .22 shorts in the tubular magazine which then allowed it to hold more than 15 rounds and it was semi-automatic. That fit NJ's definition of an illegal assault rifle believe it or not.

The man served jail time, huge fine, lost every single firearm he owned and cannot ever legally purchase or own a firearm in this country again. How's that?

The .22 was won by the man when he won a NRA competition years before. It was unfired.

This is a true story.
 
Yvsa:

Your point about the government taking your guns is valid.

The first step to confiscating firearms is to register them.
 
I love the renewal logic in the patriot act. It's air tight.

"The patriot act is over...why should we keep it around?"

"Well, it stopped terrorists"

"Really? Who?"

"That's classified"

"Oh, guess I'll trust you"
 
Yvsa hasn't posted in a long time. I know he was saying now that he's feeling better, he's going to be out more. But has anybody heard from him recently?
 
tsf said:
That's why I train. Guns are merely tools, and many things can become tools in a pinch.
Terry
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( In a pinch ) yes . Its when they stop pinching and start shooting . L:O:L I can duck with the best of them . I wouldn,t want to show up with a screwdriver for a gunfight .
 
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