HSN Frost Cutlery

JediKnight86

JediKnight86

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OK, now obviously these things are the cheapest of cheap knives, I would never carry one, but they don't look that bad. They function well in the demo. How do they sell 129+ of them (including those big swords and fixed blades) for under $200? Even for these things that's cheap! Just over $1 per knife! And they stand behind their product. It doesn't sound like a bad idea to buy one of these packages and resell them for a serious profit (to people who don't know the difference). Has anyone here ever tried?

search "frost cutlery" on HSN.com you'll find 8+ pages of these things! Some of them look suprisingly nice. Theres a small set with framelocks and wood overlays that I'm afraid to say I like! :confused: :rolleyes:
 
i admit, i've seen some of their crap knives that look okay, some downright appealing. usually when that happens, it's because they've ripped off a famous or popular design which i haven't recognized yet. for a brief instant, i almost considered throwing $18.99 away on a lot of 12 knives, just because it included a very convincing (on TV, of course!!) small Sebenza, right down to the lanyard and blued thumbstud. i came to my senses, thank goodness!

further, i always find those knives at my local swap meets (flea markets to you east coasters), and guess what? they sell. it's pretty sad. i've watched guys come up and examine the junk fondly. i'd heard a guy haggling with the seller once, and talked him down from $30 to $25 on a horrendous M16 look-alike. these are the very same ones they sell for $29 a dozen on those HSN/CCN shows. the swap meet seller also sells a lot for 10-20 bucks, and there's almost always someone there buying something. again, sad.

now, the capitalist in me wants to buy a few lots of pot steel pokers, and sell them to the masses. i just can't bring myself to do it -- seems like it's just bad for the knife industry at large. out here in San Diego, the bargain hunter weekend-warriors seem to eat the crap up. poor saps.

abe m.
 
Believe me, it wouldn't be hard. People that aren't into knives really can't tell the difference. I actually failed a lock on a chinese knife in front of a customer, and he honestly asked me if that was bad. I overcame the liner with the slightest touch of my index finger.
Believe me you could sell those. But I'm posative there's some more honest work out there.
-KC
 
The show is funny to watch.

But! They have a lot of rip offs in their model line. Including a rip off of a Mick Strider Custom Axe! :mad:
 
i was actually channel surfing last night and they had a package of a few knives and the main selling point of the package was a Kershaw Blackout with the assisted opening. I was shocked :eek: to see those guys with a knife brand i knew of. And from what i saw it looked like a real kershaw.
 
well i got suckered in to buy a 181 package and i like a couple sets in there, they do sell though, there liner lock is kinda strong, on the tests i did, banged the back of the blade on my desk 5 times hard enough to leave dents, on the desk, they didnt fail. i was shocked.... i liked the swords that came with it though. just as displays. bowies werent to bad either. knives cut ok, but sum of them were just junk. so im havin mixed feelings. about sellin them to people. i want to make my money back, but i dont wanna rip them off either. so i dont know. i think ill have my mom or dad sell them so i dont feel so bad..lol :D.... i personaly carry an an crkt m16 with a tanto. the large addition.
 
Wasz said:
i was actually channel surfing last night and they had a package of a few knives and the main selling point of the package was a Kershaw Blackout with the assisted opening. I was shocked :eek: to see those guys with a knife brand i knew of. And from what i saw it looked like a real kershaw.
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Are you sure it wasn't a Kurshaw or a Kershauw? :D
 
Guys...

By Buying and Selling this garbage, you are quite possibly putting more knives in the hands of criminals, which in turn screw things up for us in the long run...You also dilute the pool of decent quality lower and even high priced knives.

Most crimes aren't being committed using high end folders and fixed blades, rather these cheap disposable knives that absolutely serve no purpose on this earth..These things are a waste of natural resourses and energy,,much like Dollar store Garbage.

By promoting this crap you are essentially cutting our throats. The people pushing this $hit in my eyes should be Flogged!

Don't sell out on us by trying to make a quick dollar.. You'll sleep better tonight knowing no one is getting knifed by one of your Pieces of $hit, not to mention hurting themselves with inferior locks...

ttyle

Eric...
 
Normark said:
Guys...

By Buying and Selling this garbage, you are quite possibly putting more knives in the hands of criminals, which in turn screw things up for us in the long run...You also dilute the pool of decent quality lower and even high priced knives.

Most crimes aren't being committed using high end folders and fixed blades, rather these cheap disposable knives that absolutely serve no purpose on this earth..These things are a waste of natural resourses and energy,,much like Dollar store Garbage.

By promoting this crap you are essentially cutting our throats. The people pushing this $hit in my eyes should be Flogged!

Don't sell out on us by trying to make a quick dollar.. You'll sleep better tonight knowing no one is getting knifed by one of your Pieces of $hit, not to mention hurting themselves with inferior locks...

ttyle

Eric...
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What? This is all a part of capitalism! My toolboxes, tackleboxes, doorpockets, desk drawers etc are filled with Chinese and Pakistani made crap! And I don't feel bad at all for getting my father a Frost stockman, it isn't meant to save his life in a EOW situation, it's meant to be there to open packages and to clean his fingernails, and for him not to feel bad if he loses it! I prefer the good stuff, I've given away good stuff as gifts for people who requested a good EDC! But my pop, who I love very much, wanted something cheap and durable to clean his fingernails, maybe use to open the seals on oil cans, open packages etc. BTW, the Dollar Store, Wal Mart, Target, they produce more than crap, they produce products that are less expensive. The Great Value brand at Wal Mart tastes just the same as the name brands, I don't feel bad that I am buying it. When my friend asked me to order a fantasy knife from United Cutlery, and I gave him the big spiel about how BM, CS, CRKT, Spyderco and other brands would be a better purchase, he laughed and asked me again to buy him a fantasy knife at my dealer, and he would pay me back.

and saying that these cheapie knives are all of the knives used in crimes? From what I've seen on Cops and shows like it, is that most "knife crimes" are committed using kitchen implements. It's like saying that most handgun crimes are committed using Saturday night specials and Kmart shotguns, so we should ban those completely! If a Frost is all someone can afford, then let them buy it. No matter what you say, if all they can afford is a 15 dollar knife, and they have to have one now, then let them.

After saying all of that, I agree with you somewhat, but it won't change things!
 
silenthunterstudios said:
And I don't feel bad at all for getting my father a Frost stockman, it isn't meant to save his life in a EOW situation, it's meant to be there to open packages and to clean his fingernails, and for him not to feel bad if he loses it!
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I gave my mom the exact same knife, she loves it and knows it's nothing "special" but likes it because of that fact. She tents to misplace things and would feel like crap if she lost say a Spyderco or Benchmade.

silenthunterstudios said:
and saying that these cheapie knives are all of the knives used in crimes? From what I've seen on Cops and shows like it, is that most "knife crimes" are committed using kitchen implements. It's like saying that most handgun crimes are committed using Saturday night specials and Kmart shotguns, so we should ban those completely! If a Frost is all someone can afford, then let them buy it. No matter what you say, if all they can afford is a 15 dollar knife, and they have to have one now, then let them.
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Totally agree, my father was a cop for 30 years, used to bring home knives he would take off kids in the city, not a single one of them in that 30 years was worth more than $15 or so and never a "name brand". When responding to a domestic he was attacked with a butcher knife, didn't get stabbed, deflected it with his night stick actually. Most of the knifes he dealt with were common everyday kitchen knives, and it's OT but more than half of the time the people with the knives were women he said.
 
Hey Guys...

LMAO...

As PT Barnam once said , " Theres a sucker born every minute"

Hopeless...

Eric...
 
Normark said:
Hey Guys...

LMAO...

As PT Barnam once said , " Theres a sucker born every minute"

Hopeless...

Eric...
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I'm not trying to insult you, I am asking a serious question, are you miffed because people who don't know any better lay cash on junk like Jaguar, Frost or Pakistan etc? Or are you mad people aren't spending cash with you for higher end knives (I apologize if you are not a dealer, I am guessing that the Gold Membership means you are at least an online dealer)? The seller I visit at the local farmers market makes his living selling the junk, like Frost, Pakistan etc, maybe some Colemans, United Cutlery etc in there. I buy his used (mainly no box, these knives are practically brand new, he's carried the same knife since I've known him) high end stuff, and by that I mean his stuff that retails over 60 bucks. I've seen people pass over a SOG, CRKT, COLD STEEL etc, to buy a Harley knife, or a Frost knife etc, they look for price and flashiness! The both of us have tried to sell his high end stuff, but to no avail, I told him to sell on here.

BTW, the pic of the guy on your avatar looks familiar, was he the knife maker who died in a car accident last year? What was his name?
 
Three statements that make sense.

1. A dull(or poorly made) knife is dangerous.
2. A dull(or poorly made) knife is not useful for cutting, only stabbing.
3. Why would you carry a dull(or poorly made) knife around?

To someone who has only used crap knives (knife=dull(poorly made) knife)
1. A knife is dangerous.
2. A knife is not useful for cutting, only stabbing.
3. Why would you carry a knife around?

See the difference? Crap knives are destroying the idea that knives are TOOLS.
 
Yes, those three points make sense, but if someone cannot

A afford the well made knife
B don't need a well made knife for their task
c don't care about what the knife may or may not do

then I see no problem in letting them get it, it's all about capitalism. I learned the hard way that Alpine and Sony are better than the Walmart crap I was buying. I also learned that there was not much difference between Cheerios and the Great Value brand of Cheerios (forgot the name). Everyone is going to knock everyone else off, the people who want the flashy crap are the ones driving this business. If Frost or UC or another low end manufacturer went belly up, it would be a blow to other companies. I may be wrong, but from what I've seen, millions of people buy Frost etc, while only thousands buy, say, Benchmade or Spyderco. I may be stressing the millions of Frosts, but hopefully you get my point. And if people are going to be afraid of knives because a crappy knife injured them, that's their problem.
 
I can't believe we've got TWO, count them TWO, threads re: Frost Buttlery :barf: :eek: on the front page!!! :o :D ;)
 
silenthunterstudios said:
Yes, those three points make sense, but if someone cannot

A afford the well made knife
B don't need a well made knife for their task
c don't care about what the knife may or may not do

then I see no problem in letting them get it, it's all about capitalism. I learned the hard way that Alpine and Sony are better than the Walmart crap I was buying. I also learned that there was not much difference between Cheerios and the Great Value brand of Cheerios (forgot the name). Everyone is going to knock everyone else off, the people who want the flashy crap are the ones driving this business. If Frost or UC or another low end manufacturer went belly up, it would be a blow to other companies. I may be wrong, but from what I've seen, millions of people buy Frost etc, while only thousands buy, say, Benchmade or Spyderco. I may be stressing the millions of Frosts, but hopefully you get my point. And if people are going to be afraid of knives because a crappy knife injured them, that's their problem.
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I agree with you that it's all about the money. That doesn't mean that it's good to sell a knife with a poor lock that will injure people, and that it's good to take advantage of people who don't know better. It happens all the time, but if they have a right to sell that crap, we have the right (some would say, a responsibility) to steer people away from it whenever possible.

Paying 10-15.00 for a knife that costs a few dollars to make is very different than paying 20-25.00 for a knife that is well made and worth that much. There is a 10.00 difference in price, but a huge difference in quality.

Experience with poor knives can turn people off to good knives and responsible knife carriers.

In the end, you have to pay the bills. I respect that, but I don't have to like the practices involved.
 
Hey Silenthunter...

First off I'm not a knife dealer, I'm a sheath maker, and whether or not yocals buy Frost cutlery has no effect on my pocketbook what so ever.. I deal with a completely different level of clientele. These people who buy these knives don't spend $35.00 on a knife,, let alone $35 for a sheath.

I'm not miffed about anything.. People can buy whatever they like..
These types of knives only do harm to the industry, when every corner store gas station is selling them to anyone who walks off the street.

Man I don't even know where to go with this..

People pass over better knives because they are uneducated, simply don't care, or have had their taste destroyed for something actually decent becuase they are use to all of this dime store garbage, and simply can't see any difference..

I've had people pull HSN garbage out of their pockets, locks don't engage,, blade wobble,, scratched to hell because they couldn't get it sharp ask me why my (insert Brand Name Here) was so much better than their $10.00 bargin of a lifetime. Are these people that stupid ? Can you not taste the difference between fresh squeezed orange juice and 5 Alive ?

Some peole just can't see quality and will settle for the garbage thats put in front of them..

And Yes,, anything sporting a firearm brand, ie. Smith and Wesson, Colt, Walther is garbage as well...

The fact that you know it's junk and still buy it,, is beyond me...

If buddy brings his HSN wares in here,, he'll be promptly laughed back to where he came from...

As far as my Avator goes...

Yes that is Rob Simonich.. One of the Greatest guys I've ever known..

ttyle

Eric....
 
Free enterprise or not, I won't buy anything from Frost Cutlery or those HSN or Shop at Home Network morons on principle. Those who order that junk from them do so to sell them for a bit of profit and could care less about what the end user does with it. There's no warranty, no company address or info on the boxes, so that goes to show you how much they stand behind their products. In my opinion, the ones who end up buying those cheap knives and swords at flea markets don't know what it means to use quality cutlery and they will fall apart before the user trashes them (if they haven't lost their fingers yet). If they break, no big deal since they didn't cost much, but what happens when the blade snaps or the lock on the piece of s**t fails and ends up doing serious damage to the user? For those who want an example of the durability of these garbage knives and sword, check out this Shop At Home Network moron in action: (You can Save Target and open it with a media player)

http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/Knives.mpeg
 
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