Humbled and learned respect

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Today was my day off and I was very excited to get back into my workshop for some knife work. I've recently set up a nice shop in my garage and had three blades profiled and ready to have their bevels ground in. The first knife I've made using my new 2x72 grinder is pretty sloppy, but I was ready to tackle the next three so I could send a few out for HT at one time. Well, to say I was quickly humbled would be an understatement.

After watching the Tim Hancock demo that was hosted by Travis Wuertz, I decided to try that technique. I set up my esteem grinder to how I thought Tim's TW-90 was set up and let her rip, only to over grind the first bevel of the knife into essentially a chisel grind with the first pass… Part of the problem I had was the amount of grit the belt/contact wheel was throwing up at me while using this technique, which was very distracting.

Next up I said no thanks to that technique and went back to the flat platen method I used on the first knife. I had a fresh 36 grit Norton Blaze belt set up and everything was squared. I bolted on my Bruce Bump file guide and began working on the bevels. Again I ground them too thin, but I was able to save it by grinding down the edge a bit and thickening her up for heat treat. Aside from the even plunge lines, I was unable to get a nice crisp grind to save my life, instead it was wavy and all over the place.

Last up was the big knife, which has a six to seven inch blade. Amazingly I was a able to learn something from the first two knives and get a much more even grind. I was going for a saber grind, but again I could not manage a straight line, nor a crisp flat. I was able to get the plunge line better than the second knife by moving the tracking of the belt just over the edge depending on what side I was grinding and that worked well.

Here's what I was able to produce...
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Last but not least, I really learned respect for the blade smith's out there who are turning out these complex compound grinds, or hell even a nice square and straight saber grind. To be able to grind in a straight line by hand absolutely boggles my mind at this point. I'm also amazed at the ability that many of you have to create such a symmetric grind without the aid of jigs/cnc machines. Kudos to those new makers who are already out of the gates way ahead of me. This is my first time really working with my hands, as I have no real "crafting" experience so I imagine my learning curve will be much steeper.

Thanks for all of the great knowledge found on this forum, I will continue to practice, and practice and practice some more.

Cheers,

Pete
 
Keep it going Pete! You've set up a nice shop, and you're on the right track... :cool:

You can come stay at my place for a few and teach me about kitchen cutlery, and I'll teach you how not to grind. ;) :D


BTW- I highly recommend you not try to learn to grind on 36X belts... IMHO you would be better off using 60X 3M cubitrons. They will eat steel like a fat kid eating bacon... but the mistakes will be slightly slower to happen, and you can grind with the speed turned WAAAAAY down. :)
 
Pete,

Your stuff is looking good. Keep in mind, it's not a competition [ yet ;) ]. You don't know how many pieces others have screwed up to get where they are now. Remember how you feel about your progress now because in six months to a year you won't even remember why it was so hard. You will be much more practiced and confident. But producing great looking blades at this stage is not the payoff. What you are earning is experience, hand-eye coordination and developing a feel for pressure and angles, etc. And if Nick Wheeler dropped an invitation to me to "stay at his place for a few", I'd be packin' the car right now.
 
Pete, I'm no expert. After two years, I can finally get an even grind 95% of the time. I still make some mistakes, but it's a slow process. Keep at it, those blades are better than my early ones. :thumbup:

Keep going, each one gets better.
 
Guys, thanks for the support, encouragement and feedback. I think anytime you start a new hobby/venture in life you are ready to blast out of the gates and rock and roll right from the start. I had to remind myself yesterday after I messed the first two up that this would be like learning to play an instrument. It takes a lot of practice to be able to play it and a lifetime to truly master it.

keep it going Pete! You've set up a nice shop, and you're on the right track...

You can come stay at my place for a few and teach me about kitchen cutlery, and I'll teach you how not to grind.


BTW- I highly recommend you not try to learn to grind on 36X belts... IMHO you would be better off using 60X 3M cubitrons. They will eat steel like a fat kid eating bacon... but the mistakes will be slightly slower to happen, and you can grind with the speed turned WAAAAAY down.

Nick, vacation time has been wiped out for this year, but I just might take you up on that next year if the offer is still good. Also, I agree about the 36 grit belt, mistakes happen quickly and go from bad to worse in an instant. I will be stepping up to a higher grit belt and slowing things way down until I get a hang of it. No need to ramp up production at all :D

Again guys, thanks for listening and I really appreciate the encouragement!

Cheers,

Pete
 
Keep it going Pete! You've set up a nice shop, and you're on the right track... :cool:

You can come stay at my place for a few and teach me about kitchen cutlery, and I'll teach you how not to grind. ;) :D


BTW- I highly recommend you not try to learn to grind on 36X belts... IMHO you would be better off using 60X 3M cubitrons. They will eat steel like a fat kid eating bacon... but the mistakes will be slightly slower to happen, and you can grind with the speed turned WAAAAAY down. :)

Nick, I have a left handed kitchen utility knife that I need to put a handle on yet, maybe I'll do it this weekend. I want to send it to you for feedback, and as a thank you for all of the posting and videos you've done, as they have sped my learning curve considerably. I ground it left handed rather than right handed in a state of confusion, opposite of what the order was for. :confused: I wouldn't want it to go to waste. :thumbup:
 
I like 60 grit blaze belts for my roughing passes on bevels. Seems to work well.

Personally I find grinding bevels 100% handheld far too stressful to do on a regular basis. I made a jig for my grinder that keeps the angle consistent. That being said even with the jig there's still a bunch of learning that went into getting even bevels and plunge lines. One of my friends had a shot at it a while back and was surprised how hard it was even with the jig!

I have a lot of respect for people that can grind 100% freehand, but it's not for me!
 
You are lapping all of those forumites et al who have yet to try their hand at even a single element of this craft- cheers and thank you for doing this work!
 
I like 60 grit blaze belts for my roughing passes on bevels. Seems to work well.

Personally I find grinding bevels 100% handheld far too stressful to do on a regular basis. I made a jig for my grinder that keeps the angle consistent. That being said even with the jig there's still a bunch of learning that went into getting even bevels and plunge lines. One of my friends had a shot at it a while back and was surprised how hard it was even with the jig!

I have a lot of respect for people that can grind 100% freehand, but it's not for me!

This is exactly what I do/feel. I'm in awe of some of the awesome freehand grinders, and their giant scrap piles from learning.
 
Good advice offered and all I will add is that I don't worry too much about plunges and other stuff that concerns accuracy until after H/T. I just remove enough steel to establish the flats, ballpark the plunges, & go to H/T. After H/T is when I get serious about plunges, bevel height, etc.. The main thing I worry about before H/T is removing the same amount of steel on both sides to minimize warpage.
 
Pete, they are looking much better than my first blades. keep practicing!

ill second Nick's offer, you are welcome anytime at my shop to practice. just give me a days notice if you can.

the best video I have ever seen on grinding is Harvey Dean's flat grinding video.
 
I just wanted to take a moment and thank you guys again! I love the community here, it really is inspiring.
 
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