Hunting Knives: Bark River vs Dozier???

I'm sorry this happened to your thread OP. 🤣 Good luck on your search, I hope you get a knife you like regardless of the source. Just go be happy, life is too short for anything else.
Though to be fair, if you have been on Bladeforums for more than a few days you should have expected the derailing and gnashing of teeth when you typed out Bark River and mentioned He Must Not Be Named. lol
 
Wow. Some strong and very unprofessional leaps on this post. This is why I stopped participating in forms many years ago because of the people who say things behind the cloak of the internet and can pretty much be complete jerks when someone asks an innocent question.

I will respond though.

As far as the ethical thing is concerned, I am a West Point graduate and have served in our armed forces for 28 years and counting. I will not say more because my opinions are my own and not that of my service. I value ethics and integrity.

I also have worked for the last 20 years or so in the Army developing requirements for, testing, evaluating and managing programs for the development of new weapons systems. I apply this approach to my own field tools as well. In my profession I want the best equipment that will make our Soldiers effective in an operational environment. Period.

For a knife, I want an effective tool that performs the job I want. I don't know much about Mike Stewart and I don't have any facts to support any of the accusations against him. I cannot pass judgement on him one way or the other. In fact, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. That's the law of our land....right?

If I made every purchase decision based on the perceived integrity of the seller I would probably never own anything of much worth. I do agree with supporting good people, but at the end of the day I am a consumer and an end user looking for a tool that performs effectively and that I enjoy owning. A knife is a tool and I want the one that performs best.

That is my right. I don't criticize your choice to buy from whom you want based on accusations out there on the internet. I respect your decision. Respect mine. We can agree to disagree. That's America, right? Last time I check it was. And that's what makes it great. We all can have different opinions and I am happy for that.

I just want a good knife. I asked about which knife you thought was the better knife. That's all.

Last, I have not read all of these comments closely, but somewhere along the line it seems people have gotten confused by what I said. I mentioned meeting Dozier and how he treated me. My point was that I have an actual personal experience with one of these two knife makers. i would guess that most of the people on this thread have not met either of them. Dozier was rude to me -- it did irritate me and in some ways make me not want to buy a knife from him. But you know what? It seems that he makes great knives. No sense in being a fool and letting the fact that he was rude to me stop me from buying a knife from him that may be the superior tool. I will put emotions aside. Maybe we all should do that. I am asking about the product, not the maker.

For those of you who buy knives as a hobby I respect that. I buy them as effective tools that have attributes that make them desirable to me to appreciate. An effective and beautiful knife is just that whether made by a jerk or otherwise.
 
Wow. Some strong and very unprofessional leaps on this post. This is why I stopped participating in forms many years ago because of the people who say things behind the cloak of the internet and can pretty much be complete jerks when someone asks an innocent question.

I will respond though.

As far as the ethical thing is concerned, I am a West Point graduate and have served in our armed forces for 28 years and counting. I will not say more because my opinions are my own and not that of my service. I value ethics and integrity.

I also have worked for the last 20 years or so in the Army developing requirements for, testing, evaluating and managing programs for the development of new weapons systems. I apply this approach to my own field tools as well. In my profession I want the best equipment that will make our Soldiers effective in an operational environment. Period.

For a knife, I want an effective tool that performs the job I want. I don't know much about Mike Stewart and I don't have any facts to support any of the accusations against him. I cannot pass judgement on him one way or the other. In fact, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. That's the law of our land....right?

If I made every purchase decision based on the perceived integrity of the seller I would probably never own anything of much worth. I do agree with supporting good people, but at the end of the day I am a consumer and an end user looking for a tool that performs effectively and that I enjoy owning. A knife is a tool and I want the one that performs best.

That is my right. I don't criticize your choice to buy from whom you want based on accusations out there on the internet. I respect your decision. Respect mine. We can agree to disagree. That's America, right? Last time I check it was. And that's what makes it great. We all can have different opinions and I am happy for that.

I just want a good knife. I asked about which knife you thought was the better knife. That's all.

Last, I have not read all of these comments closely, but somewhere along the line it seems people have gotten confused by what I said. I mentioned meeting Dozier and how he treated me. My point was that I have an actual personal experience with one of these two knife makers. i would guess that most of the people on this thread have not met either of them. Dozier was rude to me -- it did irritate me and in some ways make me not want to buy a knife from him. But you know what? It seems that he makes great knives. No sense in being a fool and letting the fact that he was rude to me stop me from buying a knife from him that may be the superior tool. I will put emotions aside. Maybe we all should do that. I am asking about the product, not the maker.

For those of you who buy knives as a hobby I respect that. I buy them as effective tools that have attributes that make them desirable to me to appreciate. An effective and beautiful knife is just that whether made by a jerk or otherwise.

Damn skippy!!!!!.
Thank you for your service and continued sacrifice!!!!!
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Wow. Some strong and very unprofessional leaps on this post. This is why I stopped participating in forms many years ago because of the people who say things behind the cloak of the internet and can pretty much be complete jerks when someone asks an innocent question.

I will respond though.

As far as the ethical thing is concerned, I am a West Point graduate and have served in our armed forces for 28 years and counting. I will not say more because my opinions are my own and not that of my service. I value ethics and integrity.

I also have worked for the last 20 years or so in the Army developing requirements for, testing, evaluating and managing programs for the development of new weapons systems. I apply this approach to my own field tools as well. In my profession I want the best equipment that will make our Soldiers effective in an operational environment. Period.

For a knife, I want an effective tool that performs the job I want. I don't know much about Mike Stewart and I don't have any facts to support any of the accusations against him. I cannot pass judgement on him one way or the other. In fact, the guy is innocent until proven guilty. That's the law of our land....right?

If I made every purchase decision based on the perceived integrity of the seller I would probably never own anything of much worth. I do agree with supporting good people, but at the end of the day I am a consumer and an end user looking for a tool that performs effectively and that I enjoy owning. A knife is a tool and I want the one that performs best.

That is my right. I don't criticize your choice to buy from whom you want based on accusations out there on the internet. I respect your decision. Respect mine. We can agree to disagree. That's America, right? Last time I check it was. And that's what makes it great. We all can have different opinions and I am happy for that.

I just want a good knife. I asked about which knife you thought was the better knife. That's all.

Last, I have not read all of these comments closely, but somewhere along the line it seems people have gotten confused by what I said. I mentioned meeting Dozier and how he treated me. My point was that I have an actual personal experience with one of these two knife makers. i would guess that most of the people on this thread have not met either of them. Dozier was rude to me -- it did irritate me and in some ways make me not want to buy a knife from him. But you know what? It seems that he makes great knives. No sense in being a fool and letting the fact that he was rude to me stop me from buying a knife from him that may be the superior tool. I will put emotions aside. Maybe we all should do that. I am asking about the product, not the maker.

For those of you who buy knives as a hobby I respect that. I buy them as effective tools that have attributes that make them desirable to me to appreciate. An effective and beautiful knife is just that whether made by a jerk or otherwise.
Well said. :thumbsup:
3 years in the Army was enough for me, so thanks for sticking in there so us short timers could leave lol.😁
 
I buy them as effective tools that have attributes that make them desirable to me to appreciate. An effective and beautiful knife is just that whether made by a jerk or otherwise.
For sure - and to be clear, I have no issues buying a knife from a jerk.

I DO have issues buying from someone who has been widely accused of fraud and theft (not to mention MANY examples of poorly performing products) by people on a forum that I’ve been on for almost 20 years.

While it’s largely anonymous and we’re obviously not all in the same room together, I still consider this to be a community, and it’s a community that I value quite a lot.

In this community, reputation seems to matter to many folks, and that’s also something I value.

I leaned toward Dozier based on quaity and reputation

Apparently you do too.

Do I have proof that he’s as bad as other people whom I respect say he is? No. But I’m not trying to send him to jail.

I’m just trying to encourage people to vote with their dollars, and discourage them from supporting apparently predatory people like Stewart.

If, in the future, you strictly want technical information about a brand with no mention of business practices, etc., please state that up front and I’ll stick to that topic.

Otherwise, if you ask for opinions, expect some.
 
Where was he rude - I must have missed it..?

So just to bring your argument to a logical conclusion, you’d be ok buying a knife from a known child molester, as long as YOUR kids hadn’t been molested?

Silly.
Wow, I'm not a fan of Mike's BRKT business practices or customer service but this comment is just ridiculous. Equating anything nonviolent to child molestation is completely off base and wrong.
If I was the OP, I'd spend my time checking out the Knifemaker's forum here and I'd bail on this thread.
 
It bothers me that Mike Stewart and Marbles are associated ever.

I believe it's entirely disrespectful to the legacy that Webster Marble created.
There's some good knife makers and great history from that area of Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
All of the active ones are still happy to have visitors...... Except one.

Dozier.
 
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Back to topic.

I had a Dozier Professional Guide Knife. It’s a good bushcraft knife. Dozier’s D2 heat treat is tops. There are other blade geometries I prefer. A TRC Splinter 120 in M390, or any good puukko. I’m very partial to my Hackman Wirkkala Puukko (unknown steel). A Shirogorov F3 in Elmax is a great versatile carry folder.

But they’re jacks of all trades and masters of none. For skinning it’s a Havalon Piranta Edge. From hide to caping, it’s small enough to pocket on any hunt, with extra blades too.

I haven’t owned a Bark River Knife so I have no comments on them except they seem popular.
 
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Wow, I'm not a fan of Mike's BRKT business practices or customer service but this comment is just ridiculous. Equating anything nonviolent to child molestation is completely off base and wrong.
If I was the OP, I'd spend my time checking out the Knifemaker's forum here and I'd bail on this thread.
Just trying to make a point - not equating - but whatever. My apologies to anyone who was offended by my hypothetical example.

Earlier post edited to reduce offensiveness…
 
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An effective and beautiful knife is just that whether made by a jerk or otherwise.

With all due respect, you are over-analyzing.

There are a**holes that I trust, and crooks that I don’t.

Think about it: you now have a knife in front of you that says ā€ž3Vā€œ on it but obviously uses a different steel that corrodes faster. You are not alone.
 
Id rather buy a Mora,modify it,than almost any BRKT knife.Am 99%sure it would perform better too.Have few brkt knives,and theyre nothing special,way overpriced for what they are,too thick chunks of steel...made for pple that dont use knives,some have uneven grinds from factory.I dont like most of their models,and dont find them practical for any use.Ive seen the posts that owner was posting on different forums...defending his bs and blaming customers that had complaints about knives.Thats a big no No.
 
I think if you looked hard enough, you could probably find a reason not to buy from just about any company, so I'm not going to get into the argument. I will say to the OP that all knife steels can suffer from the initial factory sharpening heating up the edge too much. I don't think you can honestly judge a knife or it's steel until it has been sharpened a few times to get past that factory edge. As to the two choices you presented, I think there are far too many other options out there that would be better, so I would open up my options further, and maybe even consider a custom from one of the knife makers here. Keep in mind, plenty of people have been processing animals for years with knives that most here on these forums would consider "junk"
 
I don’t own any Dozier knives. I do own 6 Bark River knives. They’ve all been good quality and have worked well for me. I’ve got them in 3V, Magnacut and cruwear. I haven’t had any issues with any of them. I bought the various ones because I liked the blade sizes and shapes, and I liked the handles. I’ve never met Mike Stewart. I don’t know him, but I don’t know any ceo of any production buy. All I know is like my Bark River knives. I’m no fan boy or shill, and I don’t post YouTube reviews. I’m just a common guy that uses my knives. To each his own.

My suggestion, look at the products you’re interested in, judge them for yourself and buy what suits you.
 
As long as this thread got dragged back up, 3V is not a stainless steel...especially with a sub-optimal HRC. I've had 3V knives from a few manufacturers stain/patina; and my BRKT 3Vs are no worse than those others.

That said, while I can't speak to the particular usage, I'll vote for Dozier...even though I have more BRKTs (5:3)
 
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They don't call Mr. Dozier "Dr. D2" for nothing ya know? Don't get me wrong Bark River turns out some pretty knives and I haven't gotten into their past history or anything, it's just that from personal experience from owning both I prefer Dozier hands down. He makes a "working man's" knife and that's good enough for me.
 
Why not take out a lone and get a Loveless?

Dozier production knives are pretty hard to beat…and you can get his true handmade knives as well which are absolutely fantastic. Having owned a real Loveless, Doziers are just as fine (he worked in his shop plenty).
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bowler1 - I carried a Dozier Agent in the field a few times while in the Army. Did everything I needed a small fixed blade to do. I have probably owned 4-5 Dozier knives over the years. Traded/sold all but the Agent. He makes a good knife for the money. Re: your encounter with him. I've had good encounters, and a couple less than good. Mostly he just didn't seem to be in a good mood and came across a bit short and gruff.

I'd still take a Dozier knife over a Bark River. Never been impressed with any of the Bark River knives I handled or owned (maybe 2-3). They just seemed like production made knives with fancy handle material options. After a few instances where the claimed steel used on a knife was shown to be wrong it just added to my unwillingness to buy them.

A lot of the reason I traded/sold off some of my Dozier knives was to get knives made by Tom Krein - who learned & worked under Bob Dozier.
 
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