Hutton's Edge knives

Oh, I'm not one of those who'd go flipping knives around, never even learned to flip a Bali... But I do understand fluidity with edged weapons.

There's no reason, or technique to this knife. Why the deep finger grooves? Saber-grip knives are good for strong stabbing or slashing... but this knife doesn't have a good point. Slashing knife? Then why would there be no weight to the blade? The balance is well inside the grip, probably around the middle finger, so slashing isn't optimized. Knives with the balance below the guard are better for stabbing - but see my first observation.

It'd only "kinda" make sense if this knife was designed for trapping or very fluid techniques, but you don't have that flexibility with the finger grooves...

But hey, I think I can sharpen it.
 
the little mall ninja in me just tittered. The first thing i want on one of these knives is specs. i, so far, have seen nothing as far as specifications. I want steel kind. I want blade length. i want him to tell me why this abomination was brought to life and now disgraces the knife community?????? as to his expertise in martial arts, video, or it didn't happen.

Ok. breath in, breath out. breath in, breath out. stroke spec bump, release anger. breath in, breath out.
 
thegeek574 said:
the little mall ninja in me just tittered. The first thing i want on one of these knives is specs. i, so far, have seen nothing as far as specifications. I want steel kind. I want blade length. i want him to tell me why this abomination was brought to life and now disgraces the knife community?????? as to his expertise in martial arts, video, or it didn't happen.

Ok. breath in, breath out. breath in, breath out. stroke spec bump, release anger. breath in, breath out.
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What'sa matter? How can you not trust someone with a "PHD.M.A."?

I found a picture of him, but no real information except for memberships in several independent MA Associations. His school appears defunct though. At least he didn't artificially tatter his belt.

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CWL said:
Oh, I'm not one of those who'd go flipping knives around, never even learned to flip a Bali... But I do understand fluidity with edged weapons.

There's no reason, or technique to this knife. Why the deep finger grooves? Saber-grip knives are good for strong stabbing or slashing... but this knife doesn't have a good point. Slashing knife? Then why would there be no weight to the blade? The balance is well inside the grip, probably around the middle finger, so slashing isn't optimized. Knives with the balance below the guard are better for stabbing - but see my first observation.

It'd only "kinda" make sense if this knife was designed for trapping or very fluid techniques, but you don't have that flexibility with the finger grooves...

But hey, I think I can sharpen it.
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Well okay, I was talking finger grooves in general--not this particular design. Fluidity is great, but needs to apply to the whole body, and not just the knife hand. Preferences will vary, but lots of knives and swords through history have had grip designs which pretty much lock your hand in one position, which constricts some movement, but also constricts the efforts of an opponent, momentum, and bad luck in general to remove the weapon from your hand.

As to the blade--well, if it is the way it looks to be, where both humps come to their own full convex edge, that certainly takes some effort. I don't see, though, that it adds any effectiveness. Yes, continuous curves cut better than straight edges, but it'd be simple to create a continuous curve design that would be easier to cut with, MUCH easier to stab with, easier to sharpen, easier to make a sheath for, and easier to to draw from a sheath than this design. That camel hump transition just looks like it was born to hang on a sheath, especially when going for it in a hurry.
 
I was doing some research on buttons edge knives and ended up here I've read all your post, and would like to add that I think the knife is designed to be held in a reverse fashion with the blade along the forearm.
 
ranger216 said:
I was doing some research on buttons edge knives and ended up here I've read all your post, and would like to add that I think the knife is designed to be held in a reverse fashion with the blade along the forearm.
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Any other thoughts? I thought it was for scooping out melons.
 
Well while the I can see the advantage of the hump in the blade attributing to the cutting effectiveness if u worked it in reverse , I would be impressed seeing how the middle lower part of the blade interacted with let's say an ARM, I bet it would act like a hook and run up or down someone's ARM bone like fillet.
 
I know there are two kind of swords, one for stabbing and one for chopping and slashing.
His knives seem to be made for chopping and slashing while every other tactical knive is made for stabbing.

I don't think chopping and slashing works on such short range if the other guy also has a knife but then again I don't know jack about self defence or tactical knives..

Anyway this would be my design for a tactical knife:
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Slim blade with sharp edges on both side, also a blood groove.
Big juicy guards on both side on the handle.
Textured handle for grip.
Lanyard so you don't loose it.
Actually the whole knife should be in black so it's harder to spot.

The kid
PHD
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I have been with Prof. Hutton since 1982 and to the one who said that he is a self proclaimed "Doctor"... He is an actual doctor of Combative Martial Arts... I have been with him as he progressed through the ranks and was recognised by the Council of Higher Martial Arts Education of Japan. This is an actual college of martial artists and those who are recognised are awarded the title after proving their technique before the council. I know because I was with him. I do agree with you that there are MANY self proclaimed "masters" out there. However, Prof. Hutton is VERY REAL!

As far as his knife is concerned. It is hard for the on-looker to appreciate simply because of it's design. What makes the knife is the manner in which it is made. There is no other knife on the planet that can make the claim that it has never been beaten on the battlefield or the street. Prof. Hutton is currently negotiating federal contracts with the US Military and his knife has amazed the right people in DC. It should be the standard issue fighting knife of the US Military within the next year. There is a true reason the knife is shapped the way it is. What makles the knife so effective are the techniques that go with it. I help Prof. Hutton train every one of his customers, and I have yet to meet one that is not in awe after learning how to REALLY fight with a knife.

Prof. Hutton is the furthest thing from a con as you can get. Do more research and meet the man. If you still think he is full of it than so be it. But I promise you this... In regards to self defense, he is the ONE MAN that can change your life forever. He is also currently working on a blog http://harpforladies.blogspot.com/ this is Prof Hutton's true passion. He has always been out there to save lives and the money has ALWAYS been the last thing on his mind I assure you.
 
You are right to a point... There is a reason for the humps and there is a reason for the grips. The techniques are fluid and VERY effective. It is currently in use by several special forces operatives over seas and they LOVE it!!! If you would like more information on the knife feel free to email me at dph.harp@gmail.com Thanks!!!
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Well okay, I was talking finger grooves in general--not this particular design. Fluidity is great, but needs to apply to the whole body, and not just the knife hand. Preferences will vary, but lots of knives and swords through history have had grip designs which pretty much lock your hand in one position, which constricts some movement, but also constricts the efforts of an opponent, momentum, and bad luck in general to remove the weapon from your hand.

As to the blade--well, if it is the way it looks to be, where both humps come to their own full convex edge, that certainly takes some effort. I don't see, though, that it adds any effectiveness. Yes, continuous curves cut better than straight edges, but it'd be simple to create a continuous curve design that would be easier to cut with, MUCH easier to stab with, easier to sharpen, easier to make a sheath for, and easier to to draw from a sheath than this design. That camel hump transition just looks like it was born to hang on a sheath, especially when going for it in a hurry.
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It amazes me how idiots claim to know everything about everything. Not everything you see on the internet is fact. I have been with Hutton since 1982... Which was before the internet... and I am a key player in Hutton's Edge LLC. Pat doesn't know how to use a computer. All of his awards and accomplishments are 100% real and he was awarded these honors by making Martial Arts his life for more than 35 years... Before you knock someone, you should learn a little more about the subject.
 
FATWILLY75 said:
It amazes me how idiots claim to know everything about everything. Not everything you see on the internet is fact. I have been with Hutton since 1982... Which was before the internet... and I am a key player in Hutton's Edge LLC. Pat doesn't know how to use a computer. All of his awards and accomplishments are 100% real and he was awarded these honors by making Martial Arts his life for more than 35 years... Before you knock someone, you should learn a little more about the subject.
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What amazes me is how long this discussion has dragged on.
 
FATWILLY75 said:
It amazes me how idiots claim to know everything about everything. Not everything you see on the internet is fact. I have been with Hutton since 1982... Which was before the internet... and I am a key player in Hutton's Edge LLC. Pat doesn't know how to use a computer. All of his awards and accomplishments are 100% real and he was awarded these honors by making Martial Arts his life for more than 35 years... Before you knock someone, you should learn a little more about the subject.
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what amazes me is the resurrection. nice going.
 
What amazes me is how people think that they can join a forum, post absolutely nothing anywhere except in one thread where they go on and on and on about how awesome that their "friend" is and think that nobody on the forum is going to wonder, "Gee....maybe this fella isn't a 'friend' at all but is actually the guy himself?" Hutton, is that you? ;)

I'm sorry, hundreds of people on these boards claim that their products/techniques are being used by SF guys (kind of makes you wonder when the SF guys actually learn the useful stuff like espionage, explosives, field medicine, etc., since they apparently are taught fifty different methods of fighting with their least effective weapon) and I believe most of these claims are a bunch of crap. I'm sure you'll say that it's not......which is exactly what someone would say if they were telling the truth OR lying. If you're lying, please go away. If you're telling the truth.....well, I'm sorry; I still think the knife looks amateurishly made and goofy as hell. It also looks to have changed since this thread was created---now a recurve scandi grind instead of the former convex. Is this one patented to? Mind telling the patent number?
 
Standard issue for the military? I highly doubt that for the simple reason of cost, they would be laughing.
 
As far as his knife is concerned. It is hard for the on-looker to appreciate simply because of it's design. What makes the knife is the manner in which it is made. There is no other knife on the planet that can make the claim that it has never been beaten on the battlefield or the street.
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Right. In other words it's never seen a battlefield and "the street" is what? A TV show? I find it very difficult believing that it's come out of nowhere and become some world beating knife design. Who has actually used it in a conflict and where? Seeing as BF has members from around the world and all professions it shouldn't be difficult to verify some of these incidents and organizations that use it. By the way we've heard this same basic story a number of times.

Prof. Hutton is currently negotiating federal contracts with the US Military and his knife has amazed the right people in DC. It should be the standard issue fighting knife of the US Military within the next year
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I'll call bull&#!^ on that.

Fatwilly75 also states that......
I have been with Prof. Hutton since 1982 and to the one who said that he is a self proclaimed "Doctor"... He is an actual doctor of Combative Martial Arts.
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You have been with him that long and don't know his degree is bogus?

From the website of:Council of Higher Martial Arts Education of Japan http://www.angelfire.com/ks/wmal/page15.html

We understand fully that we will be questioned in the accreditation area, but we do not desire or intend to seek approval from academia. We consider the question to be closed.
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and:
Degrees conferred by the I.C.H.M.S.E. are honorary
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So, you do know what this means, right? There are no real degrees despite his claims.

and, there is some people who claim to be a "college", but they really aren't.

Licenses and Credentials
# The I.C.H.M.S.E. degree program is not designed to meet any particular local, state or national / international licensing or laws, nor to meet any requirements established by any private independent organizations.
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Here's the kicker! :)

Notice
# On the day that you enrol in a degree program, you may legitimately add an important line to you resume, such as Ph.D.M.A., Minister of Martial Arts All of our Ph.D. graduates are eligible to apply for the position of a Minister of Martial Arts. The information for this position will be mailed to you with your DOCTORAL DIPLOMA. Doctoral Degree Features / Benefits / Full credit for life learning experience / Full credit for prior works. These are a few of the benefits of your Ph.D. degree: Increased self-esteem and respect from others. / Heightened credibility in any practice of Martial Arts / Enhanced prestige and respect
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and:
All our degrees are not to be confused with traditional University (PhD) degrees !!!
They are for Martial Arts only, not for academic uses and may not used for any other purpose !!!!!!
All diplomas will be issued at our headquarters in Bangladesh !!!
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Oh? Not Japan?


I could go on but to be honest it's getting boring. They didn't even spell "enroll" correctly. We have real doctors, lawyers, engineers, Soldiers, cops, first responders, and about everything you can think of here as it is. Lots of instructors with real degrees in many disciplines as well. Some pretty well known too. Perhaps you should be trying to learn something here, not make unsupported claims.

Joe

Esq.,
PHD, MA (Hon), : Mastiff's school of universal studies of The South
 
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The knives are made by Randall Knives and he is very legit. I've been to his home and seen his credentials. His blades and training is very K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) I HIGHLY recommend it and the training to anyone who is LE, Military, or a C.C.W. holder.

It is designed to be held with the blade along the forearm. And for all of you knife ninjas out there, don't over complicate it. For its application as a last ditch weapon (for LE you cant get to your firearm or you go to the ground) its unbeatable. If you truly understand combat tactics and have dabbled in any real knife fighting techniques then you will appreciate this blade.
 
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