Hydraulic Press question

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How much pressure is recommended for making pattern welded billets?
I'm looking at a 10 ton press, because that's what I can afford, but I didn't know if that would be sufficient for pattern welding.

After spending 5 solid hours making one with a hammer this weekend, I'm thinking I need a press now.

Thanks for any input.

Dave
 
Dave,

Are you asking; what is a nice size press to do the drawing and flattening of the pattern welded billets? If so, 20 to 25 ton is a nice size press for whatever you are forging. If you run a press with to little power, you tend to overheat the steel to compensate.
For welding, a three pound hammer will suffice a press is more fun.:D Fred
 
I would love to have a big press, and someday I will, but would a 10 ton do the job? I won't overheat the steel, because I keep the forge at a constant temp. Just looking for a time saver, as well as an arm saver.
I'm teaching my 14 year old how to forge, and that would be a good job for him to do. (supervised of course.) He doesn't have enough umph to hammer a billet. lol
 
What Type of press are you looking at? If you are looking at a log splitter or something along those lines most are at least 15-20t. If you are looking at a hand pump type it will not work. Way too slow. The cost difference really is not that much if you are looking at a forging press. Also 10t is really under powered unless you are making small billets. Even then it would not be very efficient.

Chuck
 
20 ton minimum. Hydraulic pump with at least 11GPM. Ram speed of over 2 IPS. 4" cylinder min.
Stacy
 
Get a copy of Jim Batson's book, "Build your own hydraulic press". The technical info is very useful, even if you are just converting a log splitter.
Stacy
 
Great, Thanks for all the info.
I was looking at a press from Harbor Freight, but I'm guessing that won't work.
I'll look into building one so I can have it the way I need it.

Thanks again

Dave
 
http://www.dfoggknives.com/hydralic.htm

http://www.dfoggknives.com/Xpress.htm


Don Fogg has an interesting gallery of various presses.

He also references Jim Batson's book
Tons of pressure is related to cylinder size and pressure
I believe all the calculations are in the book

Brian Lyttle (see my pride & joy)
http://www.lyttleknives.com/profile2.htm#MY PRIDE & JOY



I seem to remember Joe Caswell from these forums had some really interesting press and shop photos, but I don’t see them on his sight anymore though…

I seem to remember that he used adjustable limit switches and auto reverseing to speed up some processes.
 
Sorry for my late response. I havn't been on the forum much--busy making knives!

Here is a link to the page on my old site.

http://www.caswellstudios.com/SwordPages/BodyPages/tools/Hydpress1.html

Jockeying a log-splitter valve is just a non-starter if you want to have meaningful control when the cross sections get small. I use drawing dies to about 1/2 to 5/8 square and the ram moves an inch a second, so a simple automation was required.

I replaced the log-splitter valve with a double acting hydraulic solenoid switch (essentially a valve that does the same thing, but allows you to use electric foot switches rather than a manual lever.)
Get one of those dual-switch foot controls. Set the thing up so if you push on one pedal the solenoid activates sending the ram down and if you push the other switch the ram goes up.
Now simply interrupt the 'down circuit' with a switch --- a limit switch-- and an adjustable time-delay relay. Now, when the 'down' footswitch is depressed, a projection off the ram triggers an adjustable limit switch. (It's adjustable so you can control the exact height the ram will travel). When the limit switch is hit, it actuate the time-delay relay for (in my case) 1 second. So the solenoid is revered for one second (even while you're still stepping on the down pedal) sending the ram up for one second, then the circuit reverts to normal and if you're still stepping on the down pedal, that means the press will reciprocate between your set perameters. Since my press moves an inch a second and I have a one-second time-delay relay, I get 2 seconds between full-squishes, which is fast enough for me.
It may sound complex, but it isn't. You just have to get the components together and think about it a little. Most of this stuff can be had on E-bay cheap.

It's a simple way to get big automated function.
 
My dad and I built one for just under $1000, it is capable of about 70 tons. It has a 9" hydraulic cylinder, and it can easily work a billet out in about three heats. :thumbup: The hard thing to do is going to be finding a 10 horse pump.
 
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