Hypothermia a stealthy killer ?

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What are some of the less obvious signs of it and are there any ways you could test yourself for the beginnings of it ?

What is the best way in a woodland setting to bring oneself back from it ? What should be avoided when you have it or to avoid getting it ?
 
a. Watch for the "-Umbles" - stumbles, mumbles, fumbles, and grumbles which show changes in motor coordination and levels of consciousness

b. Mild Hypothermia - core temperature 98.6 - 96 degrees F

Shivering - not under voluntary control
Can't do complex motor functions (ice climbing or skiing) can still walk & talk
Vasoconstriction to periphery
c. Moderate Hypothermia - core temperature 95 - 93 degrees F

Dazed consciousness
Loss of fine motor coordination - particularly in hands - can't zip up parka, due to restricted peripheral blood flow
Slurred speech
Violent shivering
Irrational behavior - Paradoxical Undressing - person starts to take off clothing, unaware s/he is cold
"I don't care attitude" - flattened affect
d. Severe Hypothermia - core temperature 92 - 86 degrees and below (immediately life threatening)

Shivering occurs in waves, violent then pause, pauses get longer until shivering finally ceases - because the heat output from burning glycogen in the muscles is not sufficient
to counteract the continually dropping core temperature, the body shuts down on shivering to conserve glucose
Person falls to the ground, can't walk, curls up into a fetal position to conserve heat
Muscle rigidity develops - because peripheral blood flow is reduced and due to lactic acid and CO2 buildup in the muscles
Skin is pale
Pupils dilate
Pulse rate decreases
at 90 degrees the body tries to move into hibernation, shutting down all peripheral blood flow and reducing breathing rate and heart rate.
at 86 degrees the body is in a state of "metabolic icebox." The person looks dead but is still alive.

The best thing you can do is add some more layers of clothing and have a warm drink when you start to notice your fingers are starting to feel numb. If you start to shiver generally you need to try and raise your body tempature with some excersise and some sugar rich foods.
 
b. Mild Hypothermia - core temperature 98.6 - 96 degrees F

Shivering - not under voluntary control
Can't do complex motor functions (ice climbing or skiing) can still walk & talk
Vasoconstriction to periphery
c. Moderate Hypothermia - core temperature 95 - 93 degrees F

Dazed consciousness
Loss of fine motor coordination - particularly in hands - can't zip up parka, due to restricted peripheral blood flow
Slurred speech
Violent shivering
Having reached the first one couple of times and started to slide into the second one (ended in a hospital the first time, learned to counteract it and fixed it myself the second time around), I've learned one more important thing one must do in such situations besides warm clothing and warm drink (those were insufficient in both cases with me) - eat high energy food. In my case one banana brought me back. Hypothermia sometimes happens because your body is running out of fuel to produce energy. People sometimes miss the connection between proper nutrition and hypothermia.
 
I should also add that violent, uncontrollable shivers started for me before slurred speech and daziness, but alongside coordination impairment in my hands - I was having problems buttoning my clothes - I ended up wrapping them around me as tight as possible.
 
Heres something I should have mentioned in the previous post, one of the easiest ways to tell if you are getting close to minor hypothermia is to press on your tumbnail until it goes white, release and count the time until it returns to a pale red color, if it takes any longer than 5 seconds your circlation is becoming limited in your extremadies and it is time to start warming yourself up. This method does not work with everyone ( elderly especially) but it does make a good rough indication.
 
Heres something I should have mentioned in the previous post, one of the easiest ways to tell if you are getting close to minor hypothermia is to press on your tumbnail until it goes white, release and count the time until it returns to a pale red color, if it takes any longer than 5 seconds your circlation is becoming limited in your extremadies and it is time to start warming yourself up. This method does not work with everyone ( elderly especially) but it does make a good rough indication.

It's called Capillary refill time. 3 seconds and under is normal for a healthy human of all ages. It is evidence of the body's heart and lungs to perfuse (supply blood and oxygen to the body parts). Some people have slow cap refill times due to chronic conditions so they may be over 3 seconds, over 5 seconds if VERY bad. Action needs to be taken now.
 
What are some of the less obvious signs of it and are there any ways you could test yourself for the beginnings of it ?

What is the best way in a woodland setting to bring oneself back from it ? What should be avoided when you have it or to avoid getting it ?

Fortunetly it is very easy. If you start to shiver, you are hypothermic. It is that easy. Start correcting right then. Put on some clothes. Hypothermia is a core temperature driven problem. If you are shivering it is because your core has cooled to the point that your body is reacting. Fix it right then.

KR
 
Hmmm banannas ? One of my favourite foods . A bannana sandwhich gives me so much energy people think I am a pinball at times . When I start getting too cold all I have to do is look around for a bananna tree . L:O:L

So any time you begin shivering due to cold you are on the edge of hypothermia ?
I guess its because I have to understand there is degree involved .
 
No, shivering is a normal muscular reaction to being cold. Violent uncontrolable shivering is different.

Study in the treatment of hypothermia has advanced tremendously in the past few decades. I know I am well behind the times on it, but something I've not seen mentioned here yet is that movement of a hypothermic person can cause a heart attack, even in a young or otherwise healthy person. Also that rewarming from the outside is not a good idea at all. Medicos here can explain these concepts better than I. Hopefully they will.

Codger
 
So forcing a lethargic cold individual to move his butt to warm them up is a bad idea ? Is this a guideline in borderline extreme cases ?
If they are shivering uncontrollably but still fairly mobile can you light a fire under their butt ? (So to speak.)

What about ourselves ? If we have a bad case of the shakes is exercise to warm up a bad idea ?
 
Hey Guys...

One thing that I don't think was mentioned is that hypothermia can get you in the summer as well..
It doesn't have to be freezing cold to get nailed by it...

You can get it in the summer by being caught in the rain without proper clothing, as well as swimming in cold lakes, water ski-ing in cold lakes and such...

Lets say you were lost in the woods, on a spring ,early summer or early fall day..
You left your camp without a jacket, because it was warm out,,you get lost and it starts to rain...

Spend a night in the rain wearing only a T-shirt..
By morning,, without shelter you my friend could be in a world of trouble...

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
If you or someone with you is suspected of being mildly hypothermic then getting them moving (hopefully towards shelter) is good in the short term. The muscle usage will help generate body heat. It does consume energy however so in the longer timeframes this has to be considered. Now on to the subject at hand.

In cases of moderate and severe hypothermia, moving the patient may be hazardous without proper re-warming. As circulation to the skin and extremities is restricted, blood concentrates in the body core. This is your body's natural response. It is trying to protect itself. If you start to vigorously rub or heat a foot, hand or other extremity, this cold, de-oxygenated, near toxic blood will return to the core. This can lead to electrical response shifts within the cardiac muscle, leading to cardiac arrythymias including in extreme cases cardiac arrest. The proper method of re-warming (whether passive or active) is from the core out. Balnkets, hot water bottles, heat packs, buddy warmth, are all effective when done aggressively and properly.

A related phenomenon is that of "Afterdrop". This is the documented instance of the core temperature of a victim actually decreasing temporarily after re-warming begins. This is very real and very dangerous. IIRC the mechanisms are still not completely understood, but it again can lead not only to cognitive changes in the victim, but to cardiac arrytymias and metabolic problems as well. Time and space constraints do not allow an in-depth exploration of afterdrop here. I recommend anyone interested to search the journals for more information.
 
Well, you have to consider the individual, and the individual situation. First, change the situation. Remove wet or constricting clothes. Stop the action (wet, wind, etc.) that caused the hypothermia in the first place.

I did a whitewater rescue one spring, air temps in the mid to upper 60's, water temps in the 50's, light wind. The girl was in her teens, good health other than being cold. Her immersion was short, but I did have to tow her to safety in swift water. Total immersion, less than five minutes. She was shivering to beat the band when I got her to shore and began to help her. First, I put a wool toboggan on her head. Then I wrapped her in a tarp to cut out the wind and slow evaporative cooling. It also gave her privacy to shuck her wet duds. She toweled dry under the tarp, and put on my fleece paddling jacket and a dry pair of pants. There was no help for her shoes, but I put her in a pair of thick wool socks. Others gathered and tried to light a fire to no avail while I went back to rescue another swimmer. She was not much better (but getting no worse) when I returned, and I turned the second person over to the others there who had seen what I had done for the girl. I dressed her in a black trash bag over the jacket, strapped her in a life jacket, and took her downstream to the first campsite I found. I left her there with a box of jello, and instructions for the campers to put her in a sleeping bag and give her warmed jello, then see to it she was transported to the takeout to reunite with her party after she was warmed. I never got my clothes back, but I was satisfied that I made a difference for the pair that day, and a few others before the day was out, including a man in his seventies (who had no business on the river at that time of year). He was the most critical.

If you or someone with you is suspected of being mildly hypothermic then getting them moving (hopefully towards shelter) is good in the short term. The muscle usage will help generate body heat. It does consume energy however so in the longer timeframes this has to be considered. .
Exactly. I treated myself on a winter canoe trip with my energy drink (warmed liquid jello), vigerous exercise, "powerstroking" my canoe to a know destination/shelter. I posted about this a few days ago.
 
So any time you begin shivering due to cold you are on the edge of hypothermia ?
I guess its because I have to understand there is degree involved .

I wrote this for another outdoor web site but I'll post it here. Hopefully this helps a little.

What makes hypothermia so insidious is how we tend to ignore it and misidentify it. By definition hypothermia is a lowering of your core body temperature from what is normal. The thing to keep in mind is that all your bodies reactions with respect to hypothermia is core driven. By that I mean, you cannot put your hand on a piece of ice and that alone will cause you to shiver. You might give yourself frostbite but the only way you start shivering is if your core temperature has dropped sufficiently. Shivering is one of the first signs of hypothermia. I have been taught that actually the first is a mental degradation. I know this will sound corny but follow this through. A group of people standing around. One guy standing there shivering and the other says “you look cold?” The guy says “Yeah, its freaking cold out man”. The other says “why don’t you put your hat on?” The shivering guy says “NO I’M OK”. Anyone seen this happen? I know I have. Hell, I’ve done it. Fact is. He is not OK. He is already got a core temperature low enough that his body is responding. It is responding by shivering. This shivering is your bodies way of making your muscles generate heat. This is how the body responds to hypothermia in its first stages. This is when to treat it but his mental degradation is telling him, “NO I’M OK”. He doesn’t recognize how much trouble he is in. This is more than just a warning sign. It is actual hypothermia. It’s just that we see it and ignore it so often many of us don’t recognize it as such. Are you going to die in minutes, hours? This obviously depends on the conditions, but make no mistake you are headed in that direction.

From there of course it goes downhill. You experience a loss of fine motor control so you find it harder to tie your shoes, change your wet jacket and other simple tasks. This is directly attributable to your extremities being vasoconstricted and shunted, again, core driven. Your hand muscles are receiving less blood so they cannot perform the way they normally do and the way you think they should be performing. Everything takes longer to do and is more of a challenge. Yes you can stop your shivering at this stage (first stage) by force of will.

You are in stage two when you have a loss of gross muscle coordination and at this point you cannot stop shivering. You also suffer from the ‘umbles. They are still conscious but will stumble when they walk, mumble when they talk, and fumble when they attempt to do simple things. You are getting near the point of no return.

End stage consists of unconsciousness and shivering has stopped. The body cannot re-warm itself at this point. It is almost impossible to help someone in the field to bring them back to consciousness. The best you can do is to try to keep them from losing more body heat. Change them out of wet clothes, put them in dry clothes and put them in a hypothermia wrap and evacuate them rapidly and treat them very gently.

One other statistic I will leave you with is that any person, who has a core temperature change (up or down) of seven degrees, has a 50/50 chance of surviving.



A second posting to that same website by me.



I believe what is being referred to is “afterdrop”. This is a phenomenon that occurs as the vasoconstriction and shunting in the extremities begins to be relieved because the core temperature is rising. Then this cold blood starts to get back into the core and the cores temperature drops (usually slightly) again. This is rarely serious.

There has been tests done and just heating the extremities can not cause the flood of chilled blood back into the core. More importantly, the temperature of the blood isn’t as big a problem as is the fact that the blood is usually loaded with nasty by-products from the effects of long term anaerobic cell activity which can definitely affect the heart rhythm or even cease it. If you are vasoconstricted and shunted in the extremities then you are already hypothermic, by definition. This vasoconstriction and shunting is core temperature driven meaning your core temperature determines if your extremities are vasoconstricted and shunted, not your extremities.

Never place a severely hypothermic person in a tub of warm water. While you cannot cause any real effect by warming an arm or two you can have a very severe adverse effect by placing someone into a tub of warm or hot water.


KR

NREMT-B
CT EMT-D
Wilderness EMT
 
"Put on your hat . No I,m O:K: ? "
There is still the dufus factor to consider .
I have had guys on firing ranges who wouldn,t put on hearing protection .
"I,m O:K: I,ve gotten used to it ."
They haven,t gotten used to it they have only deafened a little .

As far as making poor decisions and hypothermia would it be good to look out for changes in character ?
 
As far as making poor decisions and hypothermia would it be good to look out for changes in character ?

Altered mental status is a late sign of hypothermia.

Some of the latter less familiar signs have been listed. The key is to not wait for the less obvious signs. If your question is what to look out for in a case of hypothermia it is actually quite simple. If they start shivering, they are hypothermic. Don't wait, take action now. Feed them, give them water (I have had courses from at least two different doctors that have stated "They have never treated anyone who was hypothermic who wasn't also dehydrated"), change them out of wet clothes, get them out of the weather. The water is very important because your body cannot burn many foods without water. No water, no fuel for the persons furnace to stay warm.


KR
 
As far as making poor decisions and hypothermia would it be good to look out for changes in character ? - Kevin


I've found myself close to hypothermia a couple of times, once in the woods, once fixing pipes under my house in 15-below zero temperatures. I noticed I was getting slow and stupid (imagine that?) I always wear a hat in the winter.

This is a great thread for me, living up in the cool blue north. Thanks for the information.
 
Since we are talking about a drop in core temp. Is it reasonable to think that this drop will show up if you use an oral thermometer?

I know that this may sound like a dumb question. But, in my first aid kit, I carry an oral thermometer. Do you think that this would be a good way to convince yourself or a person with "diminishing" mental capacities because of the hypothermia, that they actually are getting into trouble?????


Roger
 
No. SOmetime crotch, armpit or anal temps would be indicative, but not oral. Now, convincing her to drop her drawers and bend over might be another whole ballgame. "No, I'm not a doctor, but trust me, I know what I'm doing!"
 
I would like to suggest that a dip into cold water can be quite an enlightening experence! I trap in the winter and sometimes get wet. I carry a small but effective cold weather kit with me as well. Wet legs below the crotch is not a big deal. Just drain the boots, wring out the socks, put em back on... and keep moving. However if you get wet at or above the crotch... things can get bad very quickly. I also cross country ski at night and wear very little thermal type clothing because of the energy expended. Just polyprop. and a wind shell, i always carry a wool cap and wool gloves and my "kit" for just in case. However, water and good quality calories are a must . As long as enough water and calories go in...you can work hard and stay warm. Everyone that enjoys the out of doors should experence a safe, supervised, and controlled cold water exercise. This would go along ways to mentally preparing for the hopefully never encountered "real deal". michaelp
 
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