Hypothetically?

[horseclover]

Sorry, I was exhausted. I meant as a general purpose blade around the ship. Which is why they are shorter than what most displays of them in movies are

Bullshit. Swords have been on boats and ships back to very ancient times. Short ones and longer ones. Pick a time in history you chose to exhibit the properties of the knife you describe. What movies are you meaning to describe?

Cheers

GC

 

[Cadillac86]

Bullshit. Swords have been on boats and ships back to very ancient times. Short ones and longer ones. Pick a time in history you chose to exhibit the properties of the knife you describe. What movies are you meaning to describe?

Cheers

GC

Apparently someone pissed in your cornflakes. I was answering a hypothetical question. My history research deals with the golden age of piracy. If you have a problem with that, take it elsewhere.

 

[horseclover]

Apparently someone pissed in your cornflakes. I was answering a hypothetical question. My history research deals with the golden age of piracy. If you have a problem with that, take it elsewhere.

Not all all, aside from calling out unsubstantiated bullshit. Senventeenth century privateers and "pirates" carried and used the same weaponry found on land. Utility blades on board similarly, no real differences. A difference in pikes, so as to more easily pass and return through rigging entanglements. Uniform and private contract cutlasses well past your noted golden age. To stipulate that fighting basket swords were borne out of kitchen and utility knives is somewhat laughable.

Cheers

GC

 

[Cadillac86]

Not all all, aside from calling out unsubstantiated bullshit. Senventeenth century privateers and "pirates" carried and used the same weaponry found on land. Utility blades on board similarly, no real differences. A difference in pikes, so as to more easily pass and return through rigging entanglements. Uniform and private contract cutlasses well past your noted golden age. To stipulate that fighting basket swords were borne out of kitchen and utility knives is somewhat laughable.

Cheers

GC

I did not suggest that basket swords started from the cutlass, so I don't know where you pulled that out of. And yes, the cutlasses did tend to be shorter as there wasn't as much room to maneuver while fighting on a ship. I don't care if you like the history of it, but I don't know you or why you feel being an unwarranted hot head is necessary in this case.

 

[BlackKnight86]

Not all all, aside from calling out unsubstantiated bullshit. Senventeenth century privateers and "pirates" carried and used the same weaponry found on land. Utility blades on board similarly, no real differences. A difference in pikes, so as to more easily pass and return through rigging entanglements. Uniform and private contract cutlasses well past your noted golden age. To stipulate that fighting basket swords were borne out of kitchen and utility knives is somewhat laughable.

Cheers

GC

You know, if you already have "The Answer", why don't you just say it, instead of picking a fight? Cadillac86 didn't say anything overtly wrong that he did not already correct. A simple quick check of the etymology of cutlass will show that his comments are perfectly reasonable, given the range of duties traditionally applied to the cutlass.

 

[kaotikross]

I did not suggest that basket swords started from the cutlass, so I don't know where you pulled that out of. And yes, the cutlasses did tend to be shorter as there wasn't as much room to maneuver while fighting on a ship. I don't care if you like the history of it, but I don't know you or why you feel being an unwarranted hot head is necessary in this case.

no offense to you, Sir..but everyone saw what you posted. and yes, it was erroneous. now, would that matter anywhere else? no, it would NOT. Does that matter HERE? YES, Sir, it does. What we are dealing with, Sir, are gentlemen that can discerne whether or not a particular pattern of blade was first pressed into service by the Bavarian Army in early-OR late- 1863. And just THAT precisely. So again, no offense, but forewarned...IS Warned, Sir, if I may beg your pardon.

 

[Cadillac86]

no offense to you, Sir..but everyone saw what you posted. and yes, it was erroneous. now, would that matter anywhere else? no, it would NOT. Does that matter HERE? YES, Sir, it does. What we are dealing with, Sir, are gentlemen that can discerne whether or not a particular pattern of blade was first pressed into service by the Bavarian Army in early-OR late- 1863. And just THAT precisely. So again, no offense, but forewarned...IS Warned, Sir, if I may beg your pardon.

Not really sure what you are talking about with the Bavarian Army in the 1800's as the Cutlass was around long before that. But please, enlighten me on the history of the cutlass rather than chastise. I thought this would be a good part of the forum, guess I was wrong.

 

[Jens Schuetz]

Not really sure what you are talking about with the Bavarian Army in the 1800's as the Cutlass was around long before that. But please, enlighten me on the history of the cutlass rather than chastise. I thought this would be a good part of the forum, guess I was wrong.

I guess the Bavarian Army blade thing was just an example on how knowledgeable members are.

Anyways you posted something wrong by mistake and stood up to it and that should be it. I don't get how one would want to keep it going in circles.

Maybe somebody did something similar to him before?

 

[horseclover]

We could blame it on the full moon and miscommunication.

The etymology of the word and the evolution of mariners swords are two separate discussions. When asked what one would choose, it was narrowed to a rapier or basket sword. Further defined to the golden age. I am left defending my assertion that the same swords as appearing on land, would have been used aboard. Long ones and short ones. A couple of books such as one of the Gilkerson's Boarders Away volumes and Neumann's Swords and Blades of the American Revolution offer lots of late 18th century blades to compare for modern tastes.

My pressing for movie faults is because some are horrible with others plausible but the basis of my stance was regarding historical parameters. The original precept of the hypothetical was amended more than once to accept any favored blade, hence my continued need to abstain from what I would choose, aside from pointing out strategy and numbers. I have pointed out some of what I am familiar with.

Cheers

GC

 

[BlackKnight86]

I guess the Bavarian Army blade thing was just an example on how knowledgeable members are.

Agreed, Cadillac86. His comment was the sword collecting equivalent of "he can hit a gnat between the eyes at 100 yards in a high wind.

Anyways you posted something wrong by mistake and stood up to it and that should be it. I don't get how one would want to keep it going in circles.

Maybe somebody did something similar to him before?

This is the downside of the above capability.

 

[BlackKnight86]

The etymology of the word and the evolution of mariners swords are two separate discussions. When asked what one would choose, it was narrowed to a rapier or basket sword. Further defined to the golden age. I am left defending my assertion that the same swords as appearing on land, would have been used aboard. Long ones and short ones. A couple of books such as one of the Gilkerson's Boarders Away volumes and Neumann's Swords and Blades of the American Revolution offer lots of late 18th century blades to compare for modern tastes.

My pressing for movie faults is because some are horrible with others plausible but the basis of my stance was regarding historical parameters. The original precept of the hypothetical was amended more than once to accept any favored blade, hence my continued need to abstain from what I would choose, aside from pointing out strategy and numbers. I have pointed out some of what I am familiar with.

Cheers

GC

From what I read, you were addressing a different point entirely from what Cadillac86 was saying. He was talking about the cutlass, not "swords on ships". Odd that it turned out the way it did when he immediately corrected the origin of your initial question.

 

[Cadillac86]

We could blame it on the full moon and miscommunication.

The etymology of the word and the evolution of mariners swords are two separate discussions. When asked what one would choose, it was narrowed to a rapier or basket sword. Further defined to the golden age. I am left defending my assertion that the same swords as appearing on land, would have been used aboard. Long ones and short ones. A couple of books such as one of the Gilkerson's Boarders Away volumes and Neumann's Swords and Blades of the American Revolution offer lots of late 18th century blades to compare for modern tastes.

My pressing for movie faults is because some are horrible with others plausible but the basis of my stance was regarding historical parameters. The original precept of the hypothetical was amended more than once to accept any favored blade, hence my continued need to abstain from what I would choose, aside from pointing out strategy and numbers. I have pointed out some of what I am familiar with.

Cheers

GC

I appreciate the books for reference. I am always looking to learn more and will pick those up. I'm not claiming to be a sword expert by any means and will never claim to be one.

 

[horseclover]

From what I read, you were addressing a different point entirely from what Cadillac86 was saying. He was talking about the cutlass, not "swords on ships". Odd that it turned out the way it did when he immediately corrected the origin of your initial question.

Mine would either be a basket hilt Rapier, or a Basket Hilt Cutlass. Since I would likely be out on the water, it would most likely be a cutlass (often used on ships as they are smaller than full sized swords. Actually started development as a cooking blade on ships.)

Swords are fun

Cheers

GC

 

[BlackKnight86]

Swords are fun

Cheers

GC

Yeah.....he said "cutlass", like I said.

Am I correct in assuming that you took his "on the water" and turned it into "maritime swords"?

 

[horseclover]

Yeah.....he said "cutlass", like I said.

Am I correct in assuming that you took his "on the water" and turned it into "maritime swords"?

Is a cutlass in that context not a maritime sword? is not any sword aboard not a maritime sword? Were there swords found only on ships? None during the golden age of piracy come to mind. Dedicated naval swords arrive later than that. I might be wrong about that but it is my understanding.

Cheers

GC

 

[Cadillac86]

Is a cutlass in that context not a maritime sword? is not any sword aboard not a maritime sword? Were there swords found only on ships? None during the golden age of piracy come to mind. Dedicated naval swords arrive later than that. I might be wrong about that but it is my understanding.

Cheers

GC

I never said that a cutlass was solely a maritime sword. I said since I would most likely be in a ship it is the one I would want.

 

[Kohai999]

I never said that a cutlass was solely a maritime sword. I said since I would most likely be in a ship it is the one I would want.

There can't be a lot of argument about that statement....hypothetically....if I was confined on a ship, I'd want a USAS Streetsweeper.

...and since distances tend to be relatively short on ships....20 loaded magazines...flechette, incendiary, copper slugs, steel slugs.....

Man I would be grinning, ear to ear!!!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[kaotikross]

I meant no disrespect, Cadillac86. yeah, that's what I was trying to say, these fellas know their stuff. I don't want you to get the wrong idea, we all love swords in here. I had drank about 8 hard ciders and I always get weirdly polite when I'm about 3/4 in the bag. Watching Texas Rising right before I logged in probably didn't help either. Turned me into a cross between Foghorn Leghorn and that guy who posts crap while drunk he regrets the next day. my apologies.

 

[BlackKnight86]

Is a cutlass in that context not a maritime sword? is not any sword aboard not a maritime sword? Were there swords found only on ships? None during the golden age of piracy come to mind. Dedicated naval swords arrive later than that. I might be wrong about that but it is my understanding.

Cheers

GC

He immediately followed it with his comment about space issues, as in the narrower confines of a boat. That was my read...it was an issue of practicality, not historical.