I Am APALLED AT WHAT I SAW !!!!!!!

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I intentionally did not mention this makers name because I did not want to make an accusation after the show. He will be attending the New york show, and if he is still presenting these knives as his own I will make it a point to go to a member of the Guild and bring it to his attention. This way I can point out the knife on his table and we will have material evidence against him, not just my word against his. This maker is a member of both The Knifemakers Guild and the North Carolina Knifemakers Guild.
 
Hi Striper,

He won't have the knife on the table in New York...Auto's are a big no no. So you will have to catch him down the line.

He had the same knives on his table at the Blade Show. This was brought up on another forum and discussed.

That person to did not want to "name names" or write a letter to the Guild, etc.

So while it irritates a lot of you makers. It will take a maker to fix this perceived problem.

Im sure there is a way to "quitely" get the board members involved. Perhaps one of them could give the maker in question a "friendly" call. At that time they could discuss "construction" techniques.

There is always a solution.
 
It's funny, as I am reading this I remember a maker at the NY show that had knockoffs supposedly custom made of another famous makers knives. He claimed they were made with the makers permission and that they were 100% custom made by him. They were cheaper than the original makers knives as well. However, they looked just like the CRKT versions of the famous makers knives. They were bead blasted and where th CRKT logo would have been, he had his own name. I found that to be really fishy. As well, they fely a bit flimsy like the CRKT versions. I had the sneaking suspicion that he just revamped the cRKT knife told the maker that he made them himself as an homage and sold them for like 5 or 6 times what they were worth. I cannot remember his name though. I had heard of him before but can't remember now. I wonder if this is the same fellow. If it is then he will most certailny be at the NY show as I have seen him there a few years in a row. I'm sure he also knows not to bring auto's or at least to keep them under the table.....RDT
 
I'm pretty sure this guy is all over eBay. I've seen his China knock-offs that he bills as "custom knives" that are "fileworked" with a Dremel. My question is did anyone actually buy them? if so, this is the start of a real problem! Can you imagine the distrust a beginning collector would have if he discovered he was duped by a guild member?! So long future knife buyer!:( That's bad for everybody, particularly the makers, but buyers as well. There seems to be a grass roots effort to repeal the arcane switchblade laws, and this sort of thing will NOT help that!I think you should also contact the show sponsor, because they look pretty bad also!
 
STIHL, if you have something to say then you should say it. What you have posted here looks to me like a veiled accusation of something Chuck has done. Maybe that is not the way you meant it to look, but to me it does.
 
There's a similiar thing in Germany right now. A well known maker here had his "first folders" published in a leading Gun/Knife publication, it was also shown in another place in the magazine that he was offering "kit folders" for those who want to put them together themselves. Obviously these kit folders were the ones designed by Darrel Ralph. Funny thing his "own" folder looks exactly like the Ralph kits....

I didn't notice this at the time. A couple of weeks ago someone (not ME) posted a linked pic from the makers website of his folder and another link to the Ralph kits pointing out that the knives sure looked exactly alike. The German makerer stated on his site that his folder has ATS-34 blades... his price for "his knife" is almost $500.

So 2000 hits on this thread later and the German maker finally replies to the question, is he just putting the kit together, marking the blades with his mark and defrauding people or what? His answer, and HE SAID THIS, he wanted to make folders so he COPIED THE KITS... a German fulltime maker copies Taiwan kits. He says he changed a few things but as the grind etc appear to be exactly the same, I can only say Hmmmm. Plus he says he sold all 5 knives!

Would you want to pay $500 for a copy of a kit you can buy for $39?? Me neither! Plus there is the question, are those blades really ATS-34 or AUS 8????

The German Guild had a meeting last weekend and I know for a fact that a number of members were aware of this situation and nobody said a f***ing word!!!

It'll be interesting to see if the US Guild takes action against the member in question here....
 
Jay (stihl): Tell it like it is. I as one would like to hear it. An why are you not coming to the hammer-in. We could review this one on one and Chucky will be here.
 
Exactly what warped sense of ethics precludes this guys name from being posted here on the forums. How many more people have to be duped before this becomes public knowledge. There is no dishonor in exposing this fraud. It is rather, a disservice to your fellow forum members and other knife buyers not to expose him. It would seem that by not naming this "maker" you are in effect aiding him in perpetuating this fraud.
 
The guy I mentioned is in the new Blade/November issue. Another forumite mentioned that they had a similar encounter with a fellow who is in the new Blade so I am assuming that this is the same person. Yes ?, no ?
 
Originally posted by indian george
Jay (stihl): Tell it like it is. I as one would like to hear it. An why are you not coming to the hammer-in. We could review this one on one and Chucky will be here.
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How about it Chuck, have you contacted anyone in the Knifemakers' Guild or the North Carolina Knifemakers' Guild?


A.T.


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"There is no dishonor in exposing this fraud."

There would be dishonor in posting a name and ruining the man's reputation and then finding out he really did make the knives from scratch. Give the Guild some time to check it out folks.
 
Originally posted by A T Barr
From what I understand, there has _*not*_ been a complaint filed. The Guild can do very little with out a formal complaint.

A.T.


This is very sad news indeed, but to be honest, in todays I'll sue your ass off if you sneeze in my direction society, it really doesn't surprise me...

I have no idea who this maker is, and know very little, if anything, about the guy who started this thread, so at this time I'm not ready to cast stones at anyone, but if you are sure of what you seen, then I am of the opinion that you are obligated to do the right thing and make a complaint with the Knifemaker's Guild so they can do an investigation.... I think the knife buying public deserves your attention to this matter!

There appears to be others posting in this thread that are familiar with said maker and his unethical business practices..... Perhaps someone (maybe just someone lurking) has purchased one of these knives??? I know it's hard to abmit to being suckered, but an altered production knife with his mark on it would a smoking gun, and you'd be doing a noble thing in protecting others from being conned!

Whether the person is doing this or not is beyond me, but there appears to be others here who are familiar with this situation, and seem to think he is.... The Knifemakers Guild needs the information so they can do an investigation!!!

Regards,

Gene
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Originally posted by GeneL74

I have no idea who this maker is, and know very little, if anything, about the guy who started this thread, so at this time I'm not ready to cast stones at anyone, but if you are sure of what you seen, then I am of the opinion that you are obligated to do the right thing and make a complaint with the Knifemaker's Guild so they can do an investigation.... I think the knife buying public deserves your attention to this matter!

Perhaps someone (maybe just someone lurking) has purchased one of these knives??? I know it's hard to abmit to being suckered, but an altered production knife with his mark on it would a smoking gun, and you'd be doing a noble thing in protecting others from being conned!

The Knifemakers Guild needs the information so they can do an investigation!!!

Regards,

Gene
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I agree completely.
A.T.


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By writing this thread I have informed the public. I have also been told by the maker that he has contacted his lawer, accusing me of publically thrashing him, even no names were mentioned. Lets let sleeping dogs lie. I think I have stirred up enough of a stikn to get the guild involved.
 
Chuck,
IMHO, You have not informed the public of anything. You have simply made an idle accusation with nothing to back it up.
As a Guild member, I do not want the Directors chasing these idle accusations. They simply don't have time for that.
If any members of this Forum see things like this happening, and you are not willing to stand by it, just walk on past and keep it to yourself.
 
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