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I am BACK!!!!

Discussion in 'Himalayan Imports' started by StmmZaum, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

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    Dec 12, 2003
    Sorry guys, been away from the forum for a while due to moving house and not getting back on the internet for ages. I have been able to lurk at work but for some reason not to post anything. Been kicking myself at all the deals I have been missing.

    On the down side (or up side depending on how you feel), I go away to university tomorrow, so I am not sure when I will get back online, but I will return!
     
  2. Pan Tau

    Pan Tau

    750
    Sep 3, 2002
    Good to see that the European part of the cantina has not disappeared - so now where is the French department and sharri from Poland?

    Good luck for the university!

    Andreas
     
  3. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    Good to see your Socialist Butt back here. JUst Kidding!!




    munk
     
  4. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

    293
    Dec 12, 2003
    *Snaps to attention, raises the Red Flag and sings the international*

    [​IMG]

    (thats me kneeling on the left, living history unit that is)

    I missed you too Munk, had to make do with idiotic kids (at least more idiotic and younger than me) to preach to so it will make a change to have an intelligent opponant for once ;)

    And Pan, yeah, well I have been seeing more of Europe during my time away, great fun and very interesting.
     
  5. Daniel Koster

    Daniel Koster www.kosterknives.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 18, 2001
    welcome back - nice pic!
     
  6. BruiseLeee

    BruiseLeee

    Sep 7, 2001
    What happened to the pic?
     
  7. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

    293
    Dec 12, 2003
    A photograph taken at a living history event I attended as an Ivan. Can you see it?
     
  8. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    Stm, you know, there has to be a better role than 'opponent'. The word opposite gives me some problems. "Different" is not satisfying. Neither is, "alternative'.... well, there's always 'parallel but unjoined..... ' Stmm, our language doesn't give us very many alternatives to 'opposition'.



    munk
     
  9. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

    293
    Dec 12, 2003
    Munk, I meant opponant in the debating sense, however we may disagree you are one of the forumites whos opinions I most respect. How about pulling on opposite ends of the rope but in the same direction? ;)
     
  10. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    Munk, I meant opponant in the debating sense>>> Stmm

    Of Course You Did!!



    munk
     
  11. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

    293
    Dec 12, 2003
    I hope that wasn't sarcasm! ;) (just kidding)
     
  12. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    No.

    Tell us about the Fox Hunt ban.



    munk
     
  13. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

    293
    Dec 12, 2003
    The ban would put an end to hunting foxes, hares and so on with packs of dogs. Currently there is a protest by the 'countryside alliance' to try to stop the ban (they will fail) for a variety of reasons some of which I respect but many I do not. The ban does not relate to hunting with firearms, fishing and so on, simply to the upper class tradition of rampaging across the countryside after a loan fox with a pack of hounds and a hoard of horsemen. Personally I think this hunting should be stopped because it is unnecessary, the animals caught are not eaten but are torn to shreds by a pack of dogs and then shoveled into a sand bag.

    I understand the people who are protesting on the basis that they will loose their jobs, however the people who do the actual hunting for the most part have abysmal arguments (I heard one the other day argue they need to do their job to keep fox numbers down and then argue that they dont catch many foxes anyhow).

    Don't get me wrong, I am a country lad by birth and upbringing (thrown by a quirk of fate into a smelly metropolis, but no one can say I don't love and understand the country way of life) and I have friends who have been on the hunt, have watched them and so on, I am not against hunting (many of my friends hunt deer and so on, in fact my nan wants me to do some rabbit shooting in her garden, possibly get a mate in to help with the deer) but I think this particular type of hunting is inhumane, unnecessary and wrong.

    The really sad thing is though that they carried out a legitimate protest the other day, and just as things were going well a bunch of idiots managed to break into the commons whilst violence flared on the street. As one of the reporters on the radio pointed out, they would have been discussing the merits of the case of the protestors if thanks to the actions of a few idiots the top story became security in the commons.
     
  14. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    simply to the upper class tradition of rampaging across the countryside after a loan fox with a pack of hounds and a hoard of horsemen. Personally I think this hunting should be stopped because it is unnecessary, the animals caught are not eaten but are torn to shreds by a pack of dogs and then shoveled into a sand bag. >>>>>>> Stmm Zm


    I could see doing that to a Loan Shark but not a fox. The Load Shark deserves even the dogs, though I must draw the line about eating him.

    .........................

    I see the hunt much differently than you. There is nothing wrong with dogs chasing a fox. The fox dies. That is exactly what happens to foxes around here, only it's coyotees, dogs, or wolves.

    Britain loses yet one more cultural icon. Too bad. You won't have anything left but cardboard grays and institutional pinks when the Nation is done correcting itself politically.

    munk
     
  15. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

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    Dec 12, 2003
    That is the thing though, it isn't really what I would call a cultural icon, it is a form of hunting developed during the 19th century so that members of the upper classes could rampage over the lands of their tennants, doing huge damage to crops etc and bully anyone who tried to stop them. Sure it happens in nature, but that is nature, we are supposed to be civilised human beings and I would have thought part of that raised us above getting our jollies from mutilating small mammals. Incidentally, we don't have coyotees or wolves over here, so no, it doesn't happen in nature.

    We loose nothing, there are greater things in our culture than this rather pathetic hobby. We have art, we have literature, we have heritage, this is nothing more than a fairly recent tradition that is pathetic, unimportant and rather sick.

    I was talking to my friend about it (she hunts) and she was saying that the main reason most of the protestors she knows went out to protest is because the hunt gives them carte blanche to gallop their horses over any land they wish, now they have to make do with organising some land and riding over it which isn't quite the same. That isn't justification to me.
     
  16. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    Hey! Guess what? I don't live there! My opinion counts even less than it normally does. But I see cultural traditions and symbols being removed from public notice all over the World. This is not a good thing.

    I do think the horse riders should have permission before crossing private property.

    I wonder if you guys will ever get rid of your Royal House?

    munk
     
  17. StmmZaum

    StmmZaum

    293
    Dec 12, 2003
    No worries, I agree about the erosion of cultures and traditions but I don't feel this counts.

    And maybe the royal family will be removed but it won't be in my life time! I doubt we would ever get rid of them simply because we love them too much (as a people). Then again, all things come to an end...
     
  18. kronckew

    kronckew Basic Member Basic Member

    Aug 17, 2003
    My 2p, from another UK (NOT European) Forumite - we are NOT all blurry
    copies of the napoleonic continental 'guilty till proven innocent' mob in brussels.

    another victory for the animal rightists - most of the people involved in fox hunting are NOT upper class gits, of course you need a bit of money to indulge.

    another case of anthropomorphism, the fox is NOT a cuddly little doggie, it's a vicious predator that kills livestock just for the joy of killing, if it goes into a chicken pen it kills ALL the chickens, not just one for dinner.

    in hunting, the fox dies fairly quickly, or usually not at all (most get away) , not like being poisoned or shot - wounded & dieing slowly of gangrene, or in a trap like will happen now.

    the majority of the countryside is in favor of hunting, or at least regulating it to get rid of some of the more abuseive aspects

    it's city folk who don't have a clue where their meat actually comes from, and do not care how much of a knife edge farmers live on as long as they get their cheap pap from the discount super stores, and the socialist lefty liberals who can't stand seeing someone better off than them enjoying themselves - actually i'd say they can't stand ANYONE enjoying themselves.

    as in a democracy, you have the right to choose not to hunt fox with hounds if you don't like it, (i choose not to myself) there is no need for a ban. if you want to impose your own morality on someone, like the terrorists in iraq want to, i'd think it would be better to do it by changing hearts and minds rather than imposingit by socialist fatwah. after all, the socialist labour government while they ARE in power, did get in with the votes of way less than half of the electorate, and have done their best to eliminate, ban or tax anything remotely interesting. i'm sure this hunting ban will have the same effect as the PETAist anmimal rightists who broke into mink farms here & released all the mink in protest over the fur trade. now, mink infest the streams and rivers and are killing all the native animals ( and doestic birds, etc) and playing havoc with the local ecology.

    If any of the lefties saw me carrying my HI Kobra outside the house, it would be 5 years in jail for me - in the UK they effectively took away our knives, handguns, rifles and made it almost impossible to get a shotgun, a kid can get arrested for using a black water pistol in public, what's next? ban all forms of hunting, then ban eating meat, ban pets, - PETA and the animal rightist bombers must be laughing.

    the socialists hate having anyone opposed to them being in any way armed or trained to use arms ( ref: JFKerry owns his own assault weapon but wants to take away the american right to be armed ) but wants only themselves to have that right. y'all back home in the USA watch out, what's happening here will happen over there if the socialist 'democrats' get elected. watch your right to keep and bear arms go down the tubes like over here, watch your right to choose to hunt or not be taken away, watch your children live in a socialist nightmare that will take ages and rivers of blood to get turned over, like in russia. doesn't anyone learn from the russian experience?

    as far as the house of lords and the royal family, why get rid of institutions that have worked well for centuries, and produced a great british empire? well, it's gone down hill since the socialists have stuck their fingers in the pie, they want to, by slowly eroded away our rights, get rid of any independent opposition, like the house of lords who do not owe their position to favours dispensed by tony and his socialist cronies. or the queen, who has been stripped of most of her powers, lands, and income in the interest of marxist leninist 'social justice'.

    they are already starting to ban government employees from belonging to legal opposing rightist political parties that the government disagrees with (but of course, not leftist parties).

    unless we get a counterbalanced UK government with two independant houses and a presidential / supreme court system to counterbalance them, parliament will just be another socialist duma rubber stamping the socialist mediocracat policies of the current dictator.

    ah, well, enough babbling, i need to get back to work, so i can afford to pay my taxes so tony can go to the riviera on holiday, and john prescott can drive around in his two jaguars.

    the UK labour party is well named, we labour so they can party.
     
  19. kronckew

    kronckew Basic Member Basic Member

    Aug 17, 2003
    oh, yeah, i forgot to mention that the way they wrote the law up, only hunting fox with DOGS is banned. hunting on horseback is not.

    brings up visions of packs of domesticated cheetah or hiena blasting thru the countryside to the sound of the hunting horns
     

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