I Broke My Native

[Tweakmeister]

This happens with blade-heavy knives when they fall - a knife with heavy liners has a better chance of landing on the handle side first.

It barely sustained any damage - but always a bummer when it first happens.

 

[Ryan8]

The knife that I bought is very chip happy, both by my own experience and dozens of other people that I read about on this very forum. It's like this because the Native that I purchased used a certain type of steal. And, having a knife that chips so easily is a very large waste of money. Do you understand now?

I haven't seen dozens of reports of problems with S30V.

Something, somewhere down the line is going wrong in making some S30V knives. The standard behavior isn't to easily chip out like you'd see with some fully-hardened steels.

In this particular instance, I'm inclined to believe that most other stainless steels at a similar hardness with the same blade geometry would have done this anyway. In fact I remember reading other reports of people breaking tips by dropping knives.

 

[Guyon]

It's a sharp, fine tip. Drop it on tile, and chipping is to be expected.

If it simply dented or rolled the edge, then you'd be looking at a steel without edge retention like that of S30V.

There's always trade offs when it comes to steel choices. Some folks just have unrealistic expectations.

I'd try reprofiling on a flat course stone, then smooth everything out on the Sharpmaker.

I've never cared for taking a grinder/sander to a knife. I'd just rather take a little off at a time by hand.

 

[Sure-Fire]

I haven't seen dozens of reports of problems with S30V.

It's not hard to find, keep looking.

Something, somewhere down the line is going wrong in making some S30V knives. The standard behavior isn't to easily chip out like you'd see with some fully-hardened steels.

Agreed, I'm not arguing that, just that the Native that I got (as well as many other people) is a waste of $40.

In this particular instance, I'm inclined to believe that most other stainless steels at a similar hardness with the same blade geometry would have done this anyway. In fact I remember reading other reports of people breaking tips by dropping knives.

However, no other knife would have done what mine did.

 

[Guyon]

It's not hard to find, keep looking.

Maybe a couple dozen links (you did say dozens) here would help... that is, if these reports are so easy to find.

There's a reason that courts of law require clear sources and evidence rather than heresay.

 

[Ryan8]

However, no other knife would have done what mine did.

I'm assuming that the hook was metal. Yes, other knives would chip out when they are hit against metal or when they are used to cut metal. Especially when they're ground at ~15° (or less) like Spyderco knives are.

 

[Guyon]

As far as the blade, today I screwed mine up :grumpy: I was cutting wire off of a snake at work, I cut down the electrical tape until I got to the hook which the blade hit with a little force. This is something I have done 50,000 times with my CRKT M16-04 without a problem. But when I pulled my Native away I saw clear as day a big chip taken out of the blade. If it were a freak accident I would understand, but this blade chipping crap seems to be happening to a lot of people. Biggest waste of $40. I REALLY liked the Native, until this happened.

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I made my post because I think our problems stem from the same thing, brittle blade steal. I drop knives onto cement floors at work more often than I'd like to admit, sometimes from higher heights. I have never snapped a piece of the blade off, only bent it on occasion.

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The knife that I bought is very chip happy, both by my own experience and dozens of other people that I read about on this very forum. It's like this because the Native that I purchased used a certain type of steal. And, having a knife that chips so easily is a very large waste of money. Do you understand now?

Sure-Fire, you're not going to win a lot of friends coming on the Spyderco forum and stating that the Native is a "waste of money" and making claims like "no other knife would have done what mine did." If you think you have a legitimate beef, then why haven't you taken it up with the Spyderco warranty deparment?

By your own admission, you (a) were using it to cut wire (ever hear of a wire cutter?) and (b) often drop knives onto cement floors. Frankly, I have a hard time taking anything you say about knives and blade steel seriously when you spell steel "s-t-e-a-l" and then claim to have heard about "dozens" of similar incidents--none of which you actually reference or link to.

 

[Sure-Fire]

Maybe a couple dozen links (you did say dozens) here would help... that is, if these reports are so easy to find.

There's a reason that courts of law require clear sources and evidence rather than heresay.

Most of the replies are in a couple of threads.

I am not in court, I do not have to do your legwork. If you want to know the truth, get off your lazy ass and look. You could have found it in the time you took to write your wise-ass post.

 

[Sure-Fire]

Sure-Fire, you're not going to win a lot of friends coming on the Spyderco forum and stating that the Native is a "waste of money" and making claims like "no other knife would have done what mine did." If you think you have a legitimate beef, then why haven't you taken it up with the Spyderco warranty deparment?

By your own admission, you (a) were using it to cut wire (ever hear of a wire cutter?) and (b) often drop knives onto cement floors. Frankly, I have a hard time taking anything you say about knives and blade steel seriously when you spell steel "s-t-e-a-l" and then claim to have heard about "dozens" of similar incidents--none of which you actually reference or link to.

I'm not looking to make friends with you. I would rather post the truth than BS that makes Spyderco zealots happy.

BTW, I never said I used my Native to cut wire, you really need to read better, maybe you wouldn't get yourself into these holes.

As for your last part, where the best you could come up with is a spelling error, FOAD.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

I'm not looking to make friends with you. I would rather post the truth than BS that makes Spyderco zealots happy.

BTW, I never said I used my Native to cut wire, you really need to read better, maybe you wouldn't get yourself into these holes.

As for your last part, where the best you could come up with is a spelling error, FOAD.

Speaking of holes, this isnt the first time your trolling antics have created one, which you happily plop down into, and start waiting for unwary travelers to ambush. (standard MO for trolls, BTW.) You are best advised to keep your tone civil. If you don't, there is always a plank waiting to drop you in the briny deep.

Also, in case you didn't know- rants and crude behavior belong in Whine & Cheese.

 

[Guyon]

Most of the replies are in a couple of threads.

I am not in court, I do not have to do your legwork. If you want to know the truth, get off your lazy ass and look. You could have found it in the time you took to write your wise-ass post.

Hoss, if you want to convince others of your points, it is indeed your legwork to do--not mine, my lazy ass not withstanding.

I'm not looking to make friends with you. I would rather post the truth than BS that makes Spyderco zealots happy.

Great! Because I sure don't think of you as friendly.

A zealot I am not. I do not worship at the altar of Glesser. I do think Spyderco makes good knives, and I own a number of them--the Native in 440V, S30V, and VG-10 included. But I welcome reports of breakage and criticisms of design. That's one of the purposes this board serves.

Mainly, it was your tone that got a reaction from me. As far as chips go, you might want to take a look at that giant chip on your shoulder.

BTW, I never said I used my Native to cut wire, you really need to read better, maybe you wouldn't get yourself into these holes.

Hmm... what might this mean then?

As far as the blade, today I screwed mine up :grumpy: I was cutting wire off of a snake at work

I do understand that you may have been just cutting the insulation/tape, but that ain't what you wrote, Shakespeare.

As for your last part, where the best you could come up with is a spelling error, FOAD.

You have to admit, "steel" is a pretty common word on a KNIFE forum, and you mis-spelled it consistently as "steal". Freudian slip, perhaps?

 

[Lavan]

VG-10 is terrific steel. I could be happy with nothing BUT VG-10.

Edge retention, ease of sharpening, degree of sharp, rust resistance. It is excellent in my opinion and as good or better than anyone has a right to expect.

 

[inspira]

I've seen a few things about S30V chipping, to be fair. Ask Cliff, he'll tell you.

Don't agree that your Native was a waste of 40 dollars, but each to their own. You could buy a 400 dollar knife and it could be a waste of money, in fact try dropping a sebenza and see if it breaks. Oh.. a waste of money no doubt.

 

[Dijos]

VG-10 is terrific steel. I could be happy with nothing BUT VG-10.

Edge retention, ease of sharpening, degree of sharp, rust resistance. It is excellent in my opinion and as good or better than anyone has a right to expect.

hear, hear!

 

[DGG]

Trouble maker -

Sorry to hear about your little mishap. Nothing worse than knife circumcision!

Around the ceramic floor (though darn stuff) you need to stick with Sheepfoot styles like the Rescue Junior or Atlantic Salt models. No tips to break off and tons of cutting edge. I think the Rescue models are the best ugly knife Spyderco sells, IMHO.

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=74

 

[DGG]

hear, hear!

Why is Spyderco the only one who uses vg-10 if it is so great? Why is it the only knife steel to have cobalt (radioactive???) in the alloy? Are we Spyderholics being tracked by aliens or big brother?

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

Why is Spyderco the only one who uses it if it is so great? Why is it the only knife steel to have cobalt (radioactive???) in the alloy? Are we Spyderholics being tracked by aliens or big brother?

1. They aren't

2. It isn't

3. Maybe- put on your Tin foil hat just to be safe.

 

[Dijos]

1. They aren't

2. It isn't

3. Maybe- put on your Tin foil hat just to be safe.

You take your tin foil hat off?!?!

That makes one of us.

 

[Guyon]

This man is being tracked via the radioactive traces in his pocketknife.

Fortunately, he's wearing protection. Cover up!!!

 

[Artfully Martial]

Knife tips often break when they hit hard floors. This isn't unusual to S30V or any other decent steel. I'm sure you can read a ton of stories about chipping any number of steels cutting through stuff and hitting staples.

AUS8's lack of dimensional stability on the edge probably saved your M16 (I have one too). AUS8 seems to roll and not chip. That might be what's happening. I have a quarter cm roll on my M16 right now that I haven't gotten around to fixing. None of my other knives have ever had a roll, but, no big deal.

There are plenty of reports about S30V chipping, and I know not why. But I can tell you this much--I have owned four and currently own three S30V knives and I've never had a problem. One of those S30Vs was the Native, by the way, which became a gift to my brother.

In any case, I've got a dodo, a para and a blue bump. The latter of these is pretty new to me, so it's not really a far addition, and furthermore, unlike my spydercos, didn't come very sharp at all. For those reading this, don't think I don't really love my Bump, but it's not perfect, that's all.

The dodo especially has seen some rough cutting and has come through with flying colors--I've used it for quite a few zip ties in a row and the way the blade is shaped, 95% of the cutting seems to be done right before the tip, so I expected a lot of wear, but while it's not as sharp (and looks to be a hideous pain to sharpen) it still cuts well and is chipless.

The only steel I've had trouble with chipping is AUS6, in my one example of AUS6 that I actually use, that is. I haven't ever gotten around to that camping trip where I can finally use that new STIFF KISS, so I can't really compare too much. But even my little inexpensive urban shark took care of a ton of cutting--at least six months--before developing a chip.

Lastly, as weird as it sounds, it appears that in most cases, a lot of sharpening actually removes the chip prone behavior of those relative few S30V knives that experience chipping. Some folks that know way more than I do about this seem to suspect that the edge is getting too hot being sharpened...maybe this bothers the heat treat? I'm not a knife maker, so I really don't know how or why--but suffice to say, it appears that taking a bit of steel off the edge seems to fix it.