I did a very bad thing to a 1311

Not the first time people do similar things.

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This below is what I did to a glock 81, chopping on some skewers and stabbing a sheet metal.
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You need to measure the thinckness of the bevel at the depth of the damage to get a meaningful outcome.
The damage on the FBM was barely reaching the shoulder of secondary edge, which would be about 0.040 of an inch (a bit over 1 millimeter) thick, where as the 1055 deformed to full stock thickness of 2.8millimeter.

It might seem that 1311 took similar damage because the notch depth is not very different.
However, the thickness at the bottom of the notch is much higher on the glock.
 
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.2 inch thick Sabre ground knife with 3/4 inch wide blade vs 3/16 in thick flat ground 2 inch wide blade. The 1311 is much thinner. The glock should have taken much less damage, yet it took more. The result is surprising but not how you think. Also, you hacked at an angle which puts more stress on the edge that strikes at an angle, the 1311. I think the 1311 did very well against a sharpened spike.
 
Laurarium said:
Not the first time people do similar things.

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This below is what I did to a glock 81, chopping on some skewers and stabbing a sheet metal.
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Oof! Did someone try chopping that cold steel kukri with that battle mistress?? My heart hurts šŸ’” šŸ˜‚ your glock knife looks salvageable at least!
 
Cobalt said:
.2 inch thick Sabre ground knife with 3/4 inch wide blade vs 3/16 in thick flat ground 2 inch wide blade. The 1311 is much thinner. The glock should have taken much less damage, yet it took more. The result is surprising but not how you think. Also, you hacked at an angle which puts more stress on the edge that strikes at an angle, the 1311. I think the 1311 did very well against a sharpened spike.
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I think the 1311 did well too. I was chopping similar to how one would chop wood, because I really thought I was gonna hack that glock in half no problem šŸ˜… let's just say I've learned from my mistake.
 

If you skip to about a minute in, that's when I start talking about the glock and the 1311 and showing their damage.
In case anyone is curious.
 
Laurarium said:
Hardened steel on hardened steel is not goning to come out pretty.
I believe it is even taught not to strike hardened steel wedge with the hardened axe poll, only with a maul poll or sledge hammer.
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Hardened steel on hardened steel can be very bad. My dad learned that. He was striking the hammer-poll of a hatchet with a framing hammer. I tiny piece of steel about the size of a BB separated and penetrated his forearm on the inner side. We went to the emergency room, but it was too deep for them to get to it without actual surgery to open up his forearm. They stitched up the hole, and he lived the rest of his life (albeit short) with it imbedded in his forearm.
 
dogboye said:
Hardened steel on hardened steel can be very bad. My dad learned that. He was striking the hammer-poll of a hatchet with a framing hammer. I tiny piece of steel about the size of a BB separated and penetrated his forearm on the inner side. We went to the emergency room, but it was too deep for them to get to it without actual surgery to open up his forearm. They stitched up the hole, and he lived the rest of his life (albeit short) with it imbedded in his forearm.
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No doubt.

But the most critical factor is blade and edge geometry. The 1311 is a much thinner grind than the other knives including the machete or the mora.
 
But, but, uhā€¦ why? Your knives to do with as you please, and hopefully no regrets, but next time just go watch a Joe X video.

Sorry if that sounded judgy or condescending, but what prompted that?

Winston
 
Winston_Smith said:
But, but, uhā€¦ why? Your knives to do with as you please, and hopefully no regrets, but next time just go watch a Joe X video.

Sorry if that sounded judgy or condescending, but what prompted that?

Winston
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It's all good!! After having thoroughly beaten and tested the glock knife, I literally just wanted to see what would happen if I tried to chop it in half with the 1311. Smart? Certainly not, but I was convinced the 1311 would separate the glock like Moses with the red sea lol. Needless to say, I learned my lesson, and won't be doing that again.

This video was also filmed 4 years ago, and it looks like Joe joined YouTube only 3 years ago šŸ¤·
 
Fair enough, and again, not even close to it being my place to decide what anyone does with their stuff or to tell them if it was proper or not. ā€˜Specially since it is their stuff and their decision, and if no one gets hurt then everyone else - including me - can F right off. And you are also far from being the first person that wanted to see what INFI could really handle before it said ā€œF it, we done here.ā€

Also wanted to make sure you didnā€™t think I was putting you in the same category as Joe. Not sure what purpose his ā€œtestingā€ is meant to serve, or even if itā€™s really meant to serve any kind of purpose other than getting him views. Not trying to keep beating that dead horse here, but nothing is subjective, no data is given, and nothing of any relevance that an end user might find helpful is provided. Guys like Cliff would bury you under all the statistics and tests that supported their findings, amd right or wrong at least it was mostly subjective. The only thing conlusive about Joeā€™s videos is that everything will fail at some point if you try hard enoughā€¦

At least you did it just to see what would happen, guessing if you were just doing it to be an attention whore you prolly wouldnā€™t have waited this long to post the video šŸ¤—

Winston
 
Winston_Smith said:
Fair enough, and again, not even close to it being my place to decide what anyone does with their stuff or to tell them if it was proper or not. ā€˜Specially since it is their stuff and their decision, and if no one gets hurt then everyone else - including me - can F right off. And you are also far from being the first person that wanted to see what INFI could really handle before it said ā€œF it, we done here.ā€

Also wanted to make sure you didnā€™t think I was putting you in the same category as Joe. Not sure what purpose his ā€œtestingā€ is meant to serve, or even if itā€™s really meant to serve any kind of purpose other than getting him views. Not trying to keep beating that dead horse here, but nothing is subjective, no data is given, and nothing of any relevance that an end user might find helpful is provided. Guys like Cliff would bury you under all the statistics and tests that supported their findings, amd right or wrong at least it was mostly subjective. The only thing conlusive about Joeā€™s videos is that everything will fail at some point if you try hard enoughā€¦

At least you did it just to see what would happen, guessing if you were just doing it to be an attention whore you prolly wouldnā€™t have waited this long to post the video šŸ¤—

Winston
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I totally get it! Also, for the record, the 1311 is SR101, not INFI. I was younger and admittedly much dumber back then, and really just wanted to see what the glock could withstand, and I had a far overreaching idea of what any busse-kin blade was capable of, so I did this really dumb thing and paid the price for it šŸ˜‚

The reason I film these videos is so hopefully others will learn from my actions, and mistakes, but also to see what knives are capable of what tasks.

I'm no where near as scientific as cliff, noss, etc. But I still do what I do in the name of science šŸ˜ and maybe a bit of good old fashioned entertainment.
 
Yeah Bo, when itā€™s all said and done weā€™ve all done our fair share of stupid shit. But then again I like to refer to the mistakes and dumb shit as experience, and you learn from that stuff, unless you keep doing the same thing over and over again that is.

People who havenā€™t done anything that makes for a good story are either lying or never got any life experience because their mommy never let them play with anything sharper than a crayon, and I bet they know the flavor of each color as well. And I donā€™t mind owning up to my dumb shit, some of itā€™s pretty funny and hopefully somebody can learn something from the things that arenā€™t.

I like to think Iā€™m a fairly smart guy, and Iā€™m certainly far from dumb, but occasionally Iā€™ve had to tell people that while Iā€™m not a stupid man Iā€™ve sure done some stupid shit in my lifetime.

Winston
 
Winston_Smith said:
Yeah Bo, when itā€™s all said and done weā€™ve all done our fair share of stupid shit. But then again I like to refer to the mistakes and dumb shit as experience, and you learn from that stuff, unless you keep doing the same thing over and over again that is.

People who havenā€™t done anything that makes for a good story are either lying or never got any life experience because their mommy never let them play with anything sharper than a crayon, and I bet they know the flavor of each color as well. And I donā€™t mind owning up to my dumb shit, some of itā€™s pretty funny and hopefully somebody can learn something from the things that arenā€™t.

I like to think Iā€™m a fairly smart guy, and Iā€™m certainly far from dumb, but occasionally Iā€™ve had to tell people that while Iā€™m not a stupid man Iā€™ve sure done some stupid shit in my lifetime.

Winston
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Agreed! And I've certainly garnered my fair share of "experience" in that regard šŸ˜‚

This particular dumb thing I did with the glock and the scrapyard actually led to what is still one of my favorite knife-related memories, and that's when Jerry Busse himself called me on the phone and explained to me why I shouldn't have done what I did, and why I shouldn't have done it. He wasn't rude, chastising, patronizing, or down-putting in any way. He just kindly explained that if I kept wrecking their knives on purpose, that I was technically voiding the warranty, and that I should probably not do that šŸ˜…
I was just amazed to be speaking to one of my heroes in person, and for that, I'd certainly do it all over again if I could go back.
 
MyNameIsBo said:
Agreed! And I've certainly garnered my fair share of "experience" in that regard šŸ˜‚

This particular dumb thing I did with the glock and the scrapyard actually led to what is still one of my favorite knife-related memories, and that's when Jerry Busse himself called me on the phone and explained to me why I shouldn't have done what I did, and why I shouldn't have done it. He wasn't rude, chastising, patronizing, or down-putting in any way. He just kindly explained that if I kept wrecking their knives on purpose, that I was technically voiding the warranty, and that I should probably not do that šŸ˜…
I was just amazed to be speaking to one of my heroes in person, and for that, I'd certainly do it all over again if I could go back.
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This is not Jerry's first rodeo. There are people that have done far worse, lol. The important thing is to learn from what happened and analyze it. I looked at the damage and it was obvious to me that the glock took much more damage even though it had the far thicker grind. That tells me that the 1311 is far superior. By miles.
It is no different than when this young knife tester joined BF and started edge endurance testing. His method was very scientific. His analysis was idiotic. I analyzed his results and came up with a completely different conclusion. The conclusion did not fit his agenda and instead of discussing those results he went off and eventually got banned, not because of me though, but because he started degrading discussions with other people. I think this guy had a really good method, it is just to bad that he had his own agenda that wasn't impartial. He certainly did a much better job than some existing edge testers.
 
MyNameIsBo said:
This particular dumb thing I did with the glock and the scrapyard actually led to what is still one of my favorite knife-related memories, and that's when Jerry Busse himself called me on the phone and explained to me why I shouldn't have done what I did, and why I shouldn't have done it. He wasn't rude, chastising, patronizing, or down-putting in any way. He just kindly explained that if I kept wrecking their knives on purpose, that I was technically voiding the warranty, and that I should probably not do that šŸ˜…
I was just amazed to be speaking to one of my heroes in person, and for that, I'd certainly do it all over again if I could go back.
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That is bad ass, it's pretty f'ing cool that he called after seeing your video, and kinda funny that he sorta gave you the 'dad' lecture in such a cool and kind way. Inquiring minds want to know though, after telling you about the warranty and that you shouldn't do that, did he tell you to send the knife in and if so did it covered under the warranty? And also wondering if during the course of the conversation, were you able to discuss anything with him or were you a bit tongue tied realizing that he actually called you to talk about it?

Cobalt said:
This is not Jerry's first rodeo. There are people that have done far worse, lol. The important thing is to learn from what happened and analyze it. I looked at the damage and it was obvious to me that the glock took much more damage even though it had the far thicker grind. That tells me that the 1311 is far superior. By miles.
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Certainly isn't, he's probably had a lot more interactions with people trying test the limits of INFI than we'll ever know, and plenty of entertaining 'far worse' videos as well. I'm glad Bo posted this, said don't do this at home, and had a sense of humor about the whole thing as well.

Winston
 
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