I did notice though - extract from Chokwe lock failure

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Razorsharp1986 said:
Lol, I love the Part 2 video especially.
"oops, I did it again".
Lol. Sorry братан.
Spyderco will fix it, no problemo. Still sucks to see it hapening on such a high end folder. I did notice though, that Spyderco seem to be having QC problems with their new 'made in Taiwan' knives. Maybe it's just me...

удачи.
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I think it is just you with seeing lots of Spyderco Taiwan built folders having problems. I had a Sage that was finished great and locked up great, and my Gayle Bradley is probably the best built production knife I've ever bought. Whoever the contractor is that builds those knives is excellent, as the examples I have seem are as good or better than the Japanese and USA built models.

Mike
 
gunmike1 said:
I think it is just you with seeing lots of Spyderco Taiwan built folders having problems. I had a Sage that was finished great and locked up great, and my Gayle Bradley is probably the best built production knife I've ever bought. Whoever the contractor is that builds those knives is excellent, as the examples I have seem are as good or better than the Japanese and USA built models.

Mike
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Agreed, they are absolutely awesome. My Sage II was flawless, not one single nit picky thing I could find to complain about. Sage I has a spot where the CF seems warped and isn't quite flush against the liner, but it's a very small thing to complain about. The maker from Taiwan is my favorite, out of all of the Japanese, Chinese, and US Spydies I've experienced.
 
Yes. There are a lot of the Taiwan knives out there and very few complaints. I would say I've seen no more and no less complaints about Seki Spydercos, which I used to think were uniformly flawless (or as close to that standard as anything made in quantity by people gets).

npueppke said:
Agreed, they are absolutely awesome. My Sage II was flawless, not one single nit picky thing I could find to complain about. Sage I has a spot where the CF seems warped and isn't quite flush against the liner, but it's a very small thing to complain about. The maker from Taiwan is my favorite, out of all of the Japanese, Chinese, and US Spydies I've experienced.
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Razorsharp1986 said:
I did notice though, that Spyderco seem to be having QC problems with their new 'made in Taiwan' knives.
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Examples, please. I frequent three different Spyderco forums regularly, and have never heard this, much less observed any sort of pattern.

I have the Sage I, II, and the Bradley. All made in Taiwan, all extremely well made and better than a lot of other production companies. Bradley's heavy build and smoothness borders on a custom feel.

Have also owned multiple Sage I's and II's. None have ever had any of the slightest QC issues.

Again, please cite examples. How is that you've "noticed" this?
 
I guess I'm the only one experiencing problems with the new Taiwanese line...
I bought a Bradley that came rather dull. Not only did it not shave, but had problems cutting paper smoothly. This is not a huge issue for me, but I've never had a dull Spyderco produced in the USA or JAPAN.
I really wasn't aware that the flaw in UK Bushcraft line actually originates in the US. So I guess the Taiwanese line did not disappoint most of you.
Regardless, it is now embedded into me, and I probably wouldn't buy any more Taiwanese Spyderco. It is really sad, but I just can't do it :grumpy:
Well, there are always other models, still produced in the USA and Japan, which we all came to love so much. ;)
 
Hi Razorsharp,

We've not heard that before. All pieces passed QC. 100% inspection.

Where did you buy your knife?

sal
 
Razorsharp1986 said:
I guess I'm the only one experiencing problems with the new Taiwanese line...
I bought a Bradley that came rather dull. Not only did it not shave, but had problems cutting paper smoothly. This is not a huge issue for me, but I've never had a dull Spyderco produced in the USA or JAPAN.
I really wasn't aware that the flaw in UK Bushcraft line actually originates in the US. So I guess the Taiwanese line did not disappoint most of you.
Regardless, it is now embedded into me, and I probably wouldn't buy any more Taiwanese Spyderco. It is really sad, but I just can't do it :grumpy:
Well, there are always other models, still produced in the USA and Japan, which we all came to love so much. ;)
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So one knife which may or may not have been properly sharpened equates to QC issues with an entire product line?
 
I bought the knife at S&R. It is a cutlery store located in Toronto.
I really don't know why it was dull, maybe it's been used by somebody in the store.
I did not buy the knife for myself, it was a present for my father.
To me, the Gayle Bradley knife is way too heavy due to it's non-skeletonized liners. My father, however, loves a heavy folder.

I understand things like that happen. I've had other production knives come rather dull. Thing is, when I was introduced to high end knives, I fell in love in Spyderco's razor sharp blades. I really thought that the Spydie knives I've seen were THE sharpest knives EVER made (naive, I know). \

As I said, it is not a biggy for me, since I always was skeptical about buying Taiwanese products. Buying the Bradley, just solidified an opinion that I've already had.


Now on a different note, The bradley looks like a VERY heavy use folder, with a SUPERB blade-steel. I bet many Spyderco fans, together with my dad, will enjoy the knife greatly.
 
Badhammer said:
So one knife which may or may not have been properly sharpened equates to QC issues with an entire product line?
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Not really, as I said, I've had initial feelings towards the whole Taiwanese business. Can't explain why, I guess I'm anal like that. Again, Spyderco are the ones to blame!!!! they freaking spoiled me. :p
 
Razorsharp1986 said:
Not really, as I said, I've had initial feelings towards the whole Taiwanese business. Can't explain why, I guess I'm anal like that. Again, Spyderco are the ones to blame!!!! they freaking spoiled me. :p
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Wait, what? That last part doesn't even make sense. Spyderco are the ones to blame why? For what?

So you bought a Gayle Bradley, felt it was not as sharp as you'd like, and it's too heavy for you. Is this singular experience what you're using as a basis to post that "Spyderco is having QC issues with the Taiwan made knives"?

Not to mention, neither the sharpness nor the weight are true issues. Sharpness might be construed as a QC issue, but a subjective one at that and certainly correctable. Weight is your personal issue; it weighs exactly as it was designed to.

Your statement of "the whole Taiwan business" makes it seem like maybe your original statement is based more in an overall dislike of the Taiwan models rather than any sort of first hand experiential evidence.

We'll save the political stuff for somewhere else, but there is no question amongst 99.9% of Spyderco enthusiasts that the models coming out of Taiwan have been across the board outstanding.

You'll find more reports of slightly off-centered blades on Millies coming out of Golden than you will reports of any issues with the Taiwan models. (Off centered blades also very minor and easily corrected.)

If you have personal reasons for disliking the Taiwan manufactured models, that's fine, but think twice before making a sweeping statement about their quality without any real evidence of that.
 
Razorsharp1986 said:
Not really, as I said, I've had initial feelings towards the whole Taiwanese business. Can't explain why, I guess I'm anal like that. Again, Spyderco are the ones to blame!!!! they freaking spoiled me. :p
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Good luck buying cars, shoes, an MP3 player or your next computer??? If I made all my decisions on the basis of irrational prejudice and one-strike-you're-out theories, I'd be cooking by fire in a cave with no tools of more recent invention than a flint chip. At least it would be locally made from local materials... :D
 
A knife in a store may have had the blade used, or in the case of many local stores had the edge banged off another knife. Even if it was dull from the factory, that happens on assembly line sharpening. 1 minute on a sharpmaker will have it screaming sharp. I don't get calling a less than razor sharp edge from the factory a real QC issue, as if you use the knife it will get dull and you will have to sharpen it anyway. If it's a collector send it to Golden and they'll get it razor sharp for you. For QC I look for lock up, finish on the handles and liners, blade grind and centering, ect, and most reports (including mine) are of excellent fit and finish on Taiwan made Spydercos. Mine shaved easily from the factory, but I never used that edge. I rebevelled my Bradley (like most of my other knives) to a thinner angle and made it much sharper to make it my own and cut more to my liking. If it was dull it wouldn't have bothered me one bit, but I must say the vast majority of my Spydercos have been very sharp from the factory.

Mike
 
Firebat said:
Wait, what? That last part doesn't even make sense. Spyderco are the ones to blame why? For what?
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I believe that the poster meant it as both a joke and a compliment, and I'm sure this is true of all of us. Spyderco's consistent high quality and fit/finish makes it even harder for us to tolerate any lemons that come out from them.

It'd certainly be a shame to pass up Spydercos made in Taiwan for life though.
 
Yes, wongKI is right. I was sarcastic, and it was a compliment.
Now to anybody that wants to play guard-dog with me:
I didn't complain about the weight. It's pure preference and the knife wasn't for me but for my dad who I knew would have no issues with the excess weight.
I know it's not a big deal the knife was dull. Also, as I mentioned, and as the above have mentioned - it could have been used in the store, or what not!!! I don't know. All I did was mentioning that it was the only dull Spyderco that I bought, and that I attributed it to the origin of production; just like I thought the Bushcraft's wood was all messed up because of the same reason.

Then I stated that Taiwanese made Spydercos are simply not for me!
And BTW, I don't need any luck with buying cars, bla bla bla. Luck has nothing to do with it. I am just very picky; about everything. Some may not like it, but it is entirely irrelevant. Since what I like matters only to ME!

I do accept others opinions saying that the Taiwanese line of Spyderco is actually better than I considered it, but again, I don't see any real reason for me to venture there right now anyway. Which means that once a really exciting model comes out, if it will be Taiwanese, I might look into that.
 
You said that "I did notice though, that Spyderco seem to be having QC problems with their new 'made in Taiwan' knives." This statement is what people are having problems with because you have no examples to make this derogatory blanket statement valid.

You had a dull knife. That doesn't mean there are problems with the knives coming out of Taiwan. Yet you imply there are widespread problems with all Spyderco knives coming out of Taiwan. People have a problem with this because it is not true and the casual reader might take it at face value and avoid Taiwanese made Spydercos.

If you have a problem with products made in Taiwan for personal or political reasons that is fine, but say so instead of trashing a companies line of knives.

That is the problem people have with your comment and surely you can see that your blanket statement was untrue and unfair to say about your beloved Spyderco?
 
I'm not sure why someone would make a blanket statement like that and then back pedal when he's called on it. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, but you should at least be able to back it up. That would be like me saying 'I don't like Canadians' because I met a rude one once.

-Tye
 
My first 2 Taiwanese built models were the Sage 1 and Sage 2. They both ended up going back to the retailer for replacements due to finish problems. Now I have 4 additional Taiwanese models with 1 more on the way. These 4 are flawless and I expect no less from the 5th one. I knew the first two were flukes and that's the risk everyone takes buying off the internet, sight unseen.

I feel really good about the quality of knives coming out of Taiwan and I love the savings that gets passed on to us consumers due to the manufacturing location. Although I would prefer US made products, I can't argue with sub-$100 high quality knives.

I've also had a few USA made knives with issues from 2 different companies. So how would you address this as a problem? In the end, that's why there are warranty policies and good CS is important. I've been treated well in every case and so far, I've had 3 issues with Spydies out of 50+ examples. I would consider that a good track record.
 
Just want to say, my sage 2 had better fit/finish/edge than my golden made paramilitary (which was still excellent).

My sage 2 was flawless, and I am really impressed with the tawainese maker.

Perhaps a lot of this bias stems from the initial problems with the Chicago/cat knives (which were taken care of).
 
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Some guys obviously don't read what I'm saying....
I thought there was a QC issue. some guys said otherwise. I learned to accept that fact. Stated I still don't care since designs are still not for me. If you've got Taiwanese Spyderco, you've obviously got offended or SOMETHING. Don't be. I love Spyderco, and respect EVERY product made by them. But what I don't like is people DRAMATIZING opinions.
If my opinion doesn't suit you, then ignore. Or for freaks sake, read what I'm saying!!! when I posted that "statement" (which was only an assumption, OBVIOUSLY), I did not intent to steer anything. I just wanted to say what I thought, in order to RECEIVE FEEDBACK, NOT some barking at how I'm too quick to post $h!t. So get out of my @$$ and go on with your daily life.
 
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