I Didnt Know That A Coating Can Make Steel 3X Stronger

I just took a look over at Camillus' website, and one of the things that was on their main slideshow was this TRC 6.75" Folding Knife:

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Titanium bonded just means that it has a coating of Ti on top of the substrate steel, in this case, VG-10, right?

Further down the page, they advertise a Rockwell hardness of RC65. I guess that is the hardness of the Ti coating. That of course wouldn't help the cutting edge, but would allow them to (somewhat deviously) advertise that it's harder even than a decent steel substrate. (The Rockwell hardness test is usually done on a flat area of steel, not an edge.) The blade is also hollow-ground, which I like.
 
The biggest lie in that ad is "Quality knives since 1876". That may have been true for the original company, but it's not the same company anymore at all. It appears they were bought by some lying snakes that are in it for a quick buck, preying on those who don't know better.

That's two pieces of false advertising. How about come accountability for outright lies?
 
^ And thats the kind of false advertising thats tricking people who have no knowledge of cutlery to think they are getting an incredible cutting instrument.Thats what caught my eye on that ad i posted...
 
greater said:
Didn't Buck at one time market a coated version of one/some of their knives (the cross lock models ?) that was supposed to have better edge retention due to a hard coating applied to the blade.
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yep, the Buckcote. name was changed to ionfusion as it wasnt really a coating......one sided chisel grind. idear being self sharpening as the steel wore away the coating stayed. the "coatings" were different types. depending on the color. all had high hrc ranging from 90ish to low 80s hrc range, that I remember. don't remember which color was what though. ran from think 90s to early 2000s. I never owned one but have heard it was good for skinning and cutting light thinner cardboard type tasks. not for heavier work. Google can likely dig up more details on them.......
 
Why is Camillus still a thing? Sure they took over the USMC for a bit back in WW2, but now--- just go over there..
 
HAHAHAHAHA!
The place where you want the blade hard is the edge. Which of course is where a coating is going to immediately be removed whan you sharpen the blade.
Advertising: Look at my right hand while my left is picking your wallet.
 
knarfeng said:
HAHAHAHAHA!
The place where you want the blade hard is the edge. Which of course is where a coating is going to immediately be removed whan you sharpen the blade.
Advertising: Look at my right hand while my left is picking your wallet.
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It's what it is, people do indeed fall for it
 
dirc said:
to be fair - this is a proven & established method to improve wear resistance a lot - it's used on drill bits etc...
different types of titanium coatings can get into the 80s rc or even 90 rc

personally I think TiCN is the best formulation - some good stats & info on this page for details
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Except you are not using a diamond hone or other abrasive on the drill bit to remove the surface of the metal. You are doing exactly that on the primary bevel when you sharpen a knife.

It would be one thing if they were saying you don't ever sharpen the knife. And, until you sharpen it, it likely does have some effect. But once it goes dull and you need to sharpen it, the first thing you are going to be doing is removing that plating.
 
you know, an opinel thin blade would be a perfect candidate (no bevel) for a pvd TiCN... they're so thin, you'd likely not need to do anything for a long while with 80+ rc
 
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I recently saw similar but not quite as bold coating advertisement on some Fiskars kitchen knives. Of course the box conveniently left out confusin nerd talk out like what the steel was..
 
İt's coated with adamantium like Wolverine's skeleton. Everyone knows that this makes steel between 3 and 3000 times harder. In fact, I have heard that there is an San mai version that they will use a material obtained from the heart of a dwarf star as a core. I don't think it would be suitable for edc (little bit heavy imo) but who would say no to a material three times harder than steel? To be serious for a moment, it's absolutely unacceptable to make fools of people like that. This is behavior similar to a phishing scam. The irony is that all advertising is based on it. Surely a little note in the corner tells you the whole truth, but by then you've already bought it.
 
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ShaiHulud said:
Why is Camillus still a thing? Sure they took over the USMC for a bit back in WW2, but now--- just go over there..
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Camillus has a rich history before and after WW2. One of the most prolific American knife makers at one time.

They closed their doors the name was sold.
Add it to the list. I would not touch anything currently made by them. It’s really sad.
 
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eveled said:
Camillus has a rich history before and after WW2. One of the most prolific American knife makers at one time.

They closed their doors the name was sold.
Add it to the list. I would not touch anything currently made by them. It’s really sad.
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I have a blacklist of knife companies I've personally swore off as well, indeed unfortunate.
 
I own an lk6 that is serviceable. But am not interested beyond that model. It too had ad print on the packaging touting a titanium coated blade. 440 steel, likely 400A, but who knows. It sharpens well and I do not dislike the knife. Just nothing to write home about.
 
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