I don't see many Schatt and Morgan's on here.

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I personally don't own any Schatt and Morgan knives, yet, but I've been looking at different ones lately. Any reason why they aren't talked about much? Is it the type of steel they use or something else I'm missing?
 
Theres a few around. I know for at least a few years they had some problems in the fit and finish/function department. I know they used to use 420hc on some or most, but know they seem to use 1095, D2 and nicer stainless steels like ATS34. I have an older teardrop that I got from a member here and I really like it. The F&F is outstanding, the snap in all positions is amazing and the blade takes a great edge. I believe mine is 420hc. This is the only one at the moment that I have but plan on picking up more in the future. I'm really liking the Heritage series that I've been seeing around.
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I have a couple. Wonderful knives, but I don't get why the standard for S&Ms is a lesser steel (420HC) than what you find on Queens (D2). Mine are 1095 fortunately.





- Christian
 
They're OK knives. Nothing about them to really knock your socks off. Because you could get a poor example you should have in hand before laying out the cash.


 
I brought up a S&M heavy duty jack awhile back and received 0 responses. They look nice and a railsplitter I recently handled in Stag was really nice.
 
I have three S&M, all in ATS34. Great knives. S&M uses 420HC because it gets a nice shine, much better finish than the D2. It also holds a decent edge, at least as good (I think better) than SAK steel. In the past D2 would not be a good steel for the S&M line since it does not take a high polish. However, IIRC I believe the new owners of the brand have some S&M in D2 and even (horrors) 1095. If I was them, it would be all 440C and ATS-34/154CM.

The S&M patterns are sturdier than Queen (I have a Queen and S&M toothpick) and have more embellishment such as swedges, pinched bolsters, etc. plus better bone and stag. There used to me more discussion on them in the past. You don't see them much on this forum, because everyone loves GEC and IMHO the current S&M owners have not yet decided what to do with the brand.
 
Very good timing on posting this thread as today I received a nice package in the mail talented maker Esnyx.

Evan is aware of my fondness for the easy open pattern so he used a blade from the S & M Heritage series, trimmed it all out in brass and added some Brazilian rosewood scales. The fit and finish is very nice indeed. Great blade action and the EO is perfect. Will be a great knife for carry.

Can't thank Evan enough for his generosity. Except to really recommend him if you are looking for a particular blade and handle configuration. He's the go to guy!

 
I have several, and particularly like the File & Wire line with it's ATS-34 steel. Keystone series IX also has the ATS-34 and antique green wormgroove bone.

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My only Schatt & Morgan is a single blade jack from the heritage series. It uses 1095 and is a great user knife. Having said that the fit and finish is subpar, the scales are a little small and leave the backsprings slightly exposed with an edge and the cut out for the shield is a little misshapen. I got this knife used and it is one of my favorites to carry but it just doesn't live up to the price tag that. I have rough rider knives with better fit and finish. From what I have heard they have improved their quality and I would not hesitate to buy another S&M if it appealed to me.

 
Jeff, that Stockman is a very alluring looking knife!

It could be that Schatt is a bit neglected these days, out of fashion in a sense as most eyes are fixed on GEC (hardly surprising given their stellar output in just 8 years) Brownshoe likely has a good point that the new owners don't yet know how to position it. Some lack of current discussion may be as a result of the rather variable Heritage series some years back. These were potentially stunning but it seems a lot of them displayed unwelcome finish issues that may have put a lot of people off. The two wood handled singles I own are very nice knives, the Bone Woodsman is more questionable. Really tame snap, if any, oddly positioned shield, but still a nice knife to own- the multi blade Heritages seem to be the worst offenders.

Anyway, time has moved on and the Keystone marque has been revived under the new owner. I got this Mini Muskrat in Blackbone just recently. W&T first rate, nice looker, no blade rub, some irritating gaps though. Main concern is that the blades, finished in matte glaze (much better than blinding bling shine!) refuse to sharpen up! This is 420c so it should be easy. Jury still out here.....

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I have one S&M (a large sheepsfoot english jack from 2008), and it really is a very nice knife. Since I purchased it, I went out on a limb and bought a Tuna Valley gunstock in 154CM. I wish I never had. The finish is very nice, and it arrived sharp, but both blades wiggle free in the half-stop position, meaning that the backsprings aren't touching the tangs in that spot, as far as I can tell. It really is a gorgeous knife, but that half-stop issue really bugs me, especially on a $225 knife!
 
I have a single bladed S&M from the heritage series, and I'm not very impressed by it. The fit & finish isn't what I expected for the price. Perhaps I've been spoiled by GEC.

The blade is also a little thick for my taste, but that's just me.

I am however considering buying another S&M, perhaps a tear drop.
 
my one and only a 2004 Wildcat driller
its a big un! had it since 2007 or so, man i really need to buy a knife sometime, been away from it for a couple years...
Gene
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Man, I nearly bought one of those a while back. Kinda wish I had. That is a sweet looking knife!
 
Redbeardo said:
Man, I nearly bought one of those a while back. Kinda wish I had. That is a sweet looking knife!
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thanks, shes a bigun i carried it for a few weeks back when i got it and have carried it a few times since
F&F is excellent, no gaps etc
Gene
 
I have a stag sowbelly, and a stag congress. They're both decent knives.
 
I had this one briefly (apologies for the slightly fuzzy pic).

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Beauty to look at, but lord was it uncomfortable to use. Probably could've made a reasonable profit given it was a 1 of 400, but I just wanted it to go to someone who'd appreciate it so it went for what I paid - which was really not much.

D2 steel on the blade, which was a delight to work with when the scales weren't chafing my palms to bits :( It's a shame, every other aspect of it was fantastic. Particularly so for a production knife.
 
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I like this one. It's the Shiner Pt -can anyone explain the name?
 
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