I feel like I don't know a damn thing abut Busse...

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Well, I do know that they make badass knives. I know that they use INFI steel, and I know of most of their basic line of knives. But what I don't know greatly outweighs what I do know. I've seen several variations of the knives that they make. Are these done by the people at Busse becasue they just felt like it or did the customer ask for it? I've also seen a ton of different models that I've never even heard of and don't recognize. Like these:

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Is there a list of the knives that they currently make? And PLEASE tell me that there is a pricelist somewhere. I have no idea how much these knives cost brand new. Also what's the difference between a zero tolerence Busse, or a fusion one compared to a regular Busse. And finally, can someone tell me about INFI steel? Is it corrosion resistant? How is it compared to something like S30V? And why is Busse the only guys that use it? Thanks

EDIT: I also know nothing of the different types of handle materials that they use? And how willing are the guys at Busse to do a custom order and/or make modifications if the customer asks?
 
Great questions. I'd like to know some of those answers myself. It seems like only those priveledged few are able to get Busse's. I used to work the gunshow circuit all over Florida, I've been into knives all my life, and I make some too, but I have never been able to get my hands on a Busse let alone see one. Does one have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars travelling to knife shows to get one? Do you have to join a club and know a secret handshake? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
Originally posted by PlaceKnives
... Do you have to join a club and know a secret handshake? Inquiring minds want to know... [/B]


Yes:D


Beware OINK'ers! Don't let out the secret hand shake or you will loose your code book!!!
 
Location Location Location.

Where I am I am only one state over from the Busse Shop. There is a dealer that brings knives to a very large Gun/Knife show here in town. Busse deals mostly with direct sales, and there are not exactly alot of dealers for them out there.

Busse is in the midst of a line change, something that they do every 4-5 years to put new inprovements into the knives. So right now the shop is changing over to get ready for the production of the new knives.

Busse is also working on changin how their order system works, but thats more complicated.
 
So the odds of getting a Busse by placing an order through e-mail are not too great huh?
 
Well, I can't believe I'm going to be one of the first to tackle some of these, but here goes:

Corrosion resistant? Yes. I have seen INFI rust (none of mine, but in pictures) but it seems to develope kind of a red dust-coating instead of pitting when it finally happens.

Compared to S30V? Dunno yet. I've yet to see performance comparisons in a true knock-down dragout way. I think both are absolutely superb. All other things being equal, I think (and this is based entirely from snippets I've seen around the forums, so take with a grain of salt) that S30V is a tad easier to sharpen, and INFI is a bit tougher, in terms of resisting chipping under impact and the like. I will not try to go into more detail, because it's complete guesswork for me. I have knives in both steels, but they are so far removed from each other in size and intended use that comparisons would be stupid.

Fusions are the new designs, which are supposed to be a big ergonomic improvement on the previous (ironically named) Ergo handle designs, as well as having slightly tweaked blade shapes. Just the latest--and many seem to think greatest--evolution of the Busse knives.
Many of the exotics that you see no names for are variants of existing designs and some are "Grinder Front Designs" which are true custom, one of a kind. I think some of the variants are done by people other than Jerry, while most (possibly all) of the true customs are ground by the big man himself.

The customs (variants and GFDs) are available I think to anybody who's willing to pay, but prices would be a matter of how much work goes into each individual one. There is a huge demand/long list waiting for these, so if you want one, you will be ordering and waiting...not just walking into a shop and buying. I know that just "anybody" can have one, because I have one---and if anybody qualifies as nobody here it's definitely me!! :D I didn't even order it, it was a gift from my wife that I was completely in the dark about, so I don't know how long it took, how much it was, or how in the hell she went about procuring it (not to mention getting the most beautiful one I've ever seen IMHO) but it's apparently doable.

Anyway, people with more and better knowledge will be along shortly, but I'm living proof that non-Blade attendees do occasionally enjoy the sweet taste of INFI!


:cool:
 
I only have one thing to say about that:

WWW.BADMOJO.TV

Oh yeah, and, of course, the Busse forum here at bladeforums.com!

Cheers,
BJB :D
 
I already have that link in my favorites, Jared! I think you make some beautiful stuff! :)

--Warren
 
Ok newbies, and old hogs too. :D

Here is a link to the tentative release schedule for the new blades.

Tentative Schedule and Details as per Jerry

Dylan_d, some of the knives you have pictured are mentioned on this list. Many of the variants you see in the archive were commissioned pieces and many were just things Jerry cranked out in a CBL induced haze, most of which Eric Porkerson has locked away somewhere in Kentucky.

There is no secret to getting a Busse. Check ebay or the for sale forums on any number of the knife forums on the net. I highly recommend the for sale section on our very own BF. If you have a particular one you are looking for, you could always post it under the "knives wanted to buy" section.

I have to concur with BillyJoeBob that Badmojo.tv is an excellent source of past and present Busse information. When I first started collecting these nuclear knives, I found it indispensible. It includes a lot of pictures and a great amount of written info, much of it extrapolated from this forum. If you are looking for some other great photos, especially comparison ones might I suggest:

Gator's site

I hope this helps in your search for info. As for the new models, we old hogs have to wait in line just like the newbies, so don't feel like you are getting short changed. Welcome to the clan.

Porkgunner
 
Thanks guys, you've been a lot of help. The fusion knives were explained but what about the zero tolerance models? What are those? Also, doesn't Busse have asymmetrical grinds and offer their knives in both right and left handed configuration? I'm a lefty and would want a left handed knife if possible. I'd probaly have to order it from Busse. Do the left handed knives come with left handed sheaths?
 
The Zero Tolerance blades started off as a fluke and were sold for a lower price than the standard line. I started collecting after the ZT set were offered, but I finally got a set. They are a 3/16th" stocke and feature the zero edge grind. It makes for some seriously sharp users. The fit and finish of some of the ZT series were rough, but they can be found in cleaner finishes, or so I have been told. :D Like I said before, keep your eyes peeled on the for sale forum and you might be able to find some of them. As far as we have been told, the assymetrical line has gone the way of the dinosaur as a standard configuration. If I recall correctly, Jerry said that overwhelming numbers of us chimed in that we preffered the symmetrical convex grind, just like is common on the Swamp Rats. I like both grinds, but I do prefer the dual convex style better.

You lost me on the left and right handled thing though. the factory sheaths that were offered with the knives were pretty much ambidexterous. Sheath will be optional with the new blades when they are offered on the Busse site. As I recall you will have a good many choices as far as material and manufacturer is concerned. It is then that you can request a left handed sheath set up.

HTH

The Story of the Zero Tolerance, straight from the big guy!

I strongly suggest that you set the parameters of this forum to go back to the beginning (look toward the bottom right of the main page) and then do a search on the key terms you are interested in. That is what I did to pull the link above. You might save yourself some questions and you never know what little jewels you will find. :D
 
i beleive that i saw someone say this a while ago, but its worth saying over again,

if someone would be willing to go through the effort and time, i would be very, very willing to buy a book of busse. a history of the knives, the knife making, a nice visual catalog of the variants and standard models, and more over, a list of the knives made before the striaght handled days, ala the feild grades.

as to the history of busse, as in before what can be read on the last year of posts, i know nothing.

definitely badmojo.tv. wealth of info





right now, one of the best ways to get a knife straight from busse combat, is to call them up, and ask if they have anything in stock. if not, you have two choices for knives that are being made currently, the assault shaker and the active duty. these are the two knives that arent going to change with the new line of models thats coming out, so they are available still. (so it seems)

the as is 117@, the ad is 217.

the new lines price list curtasy of hdwrlover

Item Blade Overall Price Avail
M.O.A.B 13" 18" ON REQ
Natural Outlaw 6.75" 12.5" $287 Sept.
Active Duty 3.5" 7.75" $187 Sept.
Badger Attack 5" 10.5" $227 Oct.
Pronto Tonto 6.75" 12.25" $287 Oct.
Tank Buster 5" 10.5" $227 Nov.
Pronto Recurve 6.75" 12.25" $287 Nov.
Fusion Heart 8" 14" $347 Dec.
Tanto 6" 11.75" $247 Dec.
Satin Jack 6" 11.75" $247 Jan.
Paul's Hatchet 3" 9.5" $227 Jan.
Proto Fighter 6.75" 12.25" $287 Feb.
Air Rescue 5" 10.5" $227 Feb.
Fusion Mistress 10" 16" $397 Mar.
Public Defender 5" 10.5" $227 Mar.
SF Recurve 6" 11.75" $247 Apr.
Assault Shaker 2.5" 5.5" $117 Apr.


so far, busse combat has had 3 major lines of production models.

the straight handles,
the ergo's
and the fusions.

for the smaller knives, there was also the 3rd generation handle set up, that was a striaght handle with an index finger groove. this came after the ergo line.


the straight handled line tended to have wider blades then the ergo line, and the new fusion line is tending towards the old style, and are no longer making the blade models similar, only for their length. each one of the new knives is different in and of itself.

the old straight handles tended to wear on the palm, as there were straight.
the ergo line beefed up the handles making them wider, and gave them the busse logo style drop, so that the knie was at a very slight angle to the hand.
the new line has three handles, fusion, special forces and tactical. the tactical has a nice palm swell, a thumb ramp, and a "stinger" like skull scrusher. the special forces is a smoothed out version of the fusion handles, with a light palm swell, and a very slight dip in the but of the knife. it features a skull crusher and a (dont know the name of the hole). the fusions have a large curve in the butt of the knife, with a smooth texturing in the micarta so that the hand doesnt get irritated while doing heavy impact chopping, further up on the knife, nnear the blade, the texturing is aggressive, to give better grip.

you can see all the new line, with names attached here http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=272691



you can find the info on the schedule and some of the ordering set up at the above posted post (tentative schedule)


on most of them its linen micarta....


badmojo has info on infi.

rarely if ever chips, dents and rolls instead of chipping. has excellent lateral stress abilities, even at high hardness. holds and edge well and sharpens easily. (compared to d2 in my 806d2, its easier. compared to m2 in a bm nimravus, considerably easier. compared to strider bg-42 - ITS LIKE BUTTER.) while its not stainless, it does resist rust well. but like all knives, if you take care of them, chances are its not going to give you to much of a rust problem.

as far as high alloy steels, i can think of no other thats as strong as infi. L6, 1050 and such, spring steels, they can take a serious beating, ala the himilayan imports, but ats34, s30v, bg-42, i wouldnt trust trying to pry hard with them. (or hitting wood on a bed of rocky soil)


im pretty sure that busse combat will sharpen it as you want it to be sharpened.



the customs are handled by master bladesmiths that work at the busse compound, but if its a custom, it goes through jerry's hands and as far as i know, inspection and approval.

grind frontal design being when jerry takes it to the grinder without a sketch, or any previous designing. whatever comes, comes.





lol... sorry.... when people ask me about knives at work, i can rant for days... even though i really dont know very much.... hope some of that helps. most of that info can be found on the boards, or at badmojo (thats where i found it. stick around for about 4 months, and you'll know a fair bit. enough to know what you like :) )
 
Hey Warren, THANKS! Glad you like what I've made so far. I'm in a bit of a rut right now, but as money permits I'll make more knives and post the pictures on my page.

-Jared
 
Excellent info. THANKS!

Darn, it looks like I missed out on the natural outlaws. That's the knife I'm wanting to get. You see, I'm looking for a blade for active duty when it comes up. I was thinking Strider but I asked some guys who have the same job I'm going to have and they said that they do a lot of prying and chopping. So, I figured that Busse would be the best for that. Oh well, I won't be on active duty for a while so I guess I can wait. And Busse hasn't started offereing all of those different sheaths options yet have they?
 
dylan_d,
If you're talking about the new Natural Outlaws, no I don't think you've missed them yet. Unless I'm VERY mistaken (which has happened before) they're a little behind the schedule that was posted because their new website is not quite ready yet. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any "Got my order in for my New Natural Outlaw--YEAH BABY!!!" type threads, which I would very much expect on this forum. :)
Anyway, I hope I'm right, I'd love a new Outlaw too :D
--Warren
 
That's great news. Thanks Warren. I managed to find that search button and caught a glimpse of some of the new NO's that are gonna be availabe. Man, I can't wait! Should I go ahead and contact Busse or just wait 'til the site is up? I'm sure that these will sell like hotcakes :D
 
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